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Blame McHale all you want...but Moreyball is our biggest problem

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by hakeemthagreat, Oct 31, 2015.

  1. OTMax

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    It's definitely part of the problem, even last year our offense was ugly as hell. Even last year, we were deadly when hit out threes and thrash when we didn't. I've never seen such a stagnant offense. McHale can blame that on the players, but when it's consistent over the years, there's a lot of lack of a good system and plays.
     
  2. 11Rox4Life3

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    i don't think morey is at his fault entirely, he's assembled an immesnely talented roster. however, for a team that follows his preferred style of play, he's imo done a poor job of getting consistent shooters for a team that annihilated the 3 pt attempt record in league history. guys like brewer, tjones, lawson, harrell, etc. can't shoot. beverley and ariza are ridiculously streaky, as is harden sometimes but he has much longer stretches of potentially being "hot."
     
  3. HayesIsBack

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    Do we really want the Rockets to play to McHale's style of coaching while he was with the Timberwolves?
     
  4. HayesIsBack

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    And you can blame Moreyball, but don't tell me McHale taking a year too long to figure out DMo can play, or not playing DMo during the playoff series against Portland with Jones getting abused, or benching Harrell in the 2nd game despite him being our best and most efficient scorer.

    Those decisions, and there are plenty of them, have got nothing to do with offensive style. It's just basketball brains, or lack thereof.
     
  5. hakeemthagreat

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    You can crack jokes if you want. But we just got beat by the Denver Nuggets on OUR homecourt by 20 my friend. Our best player through 2 games has been our rookie. If guys aren't in shape by training camp then that's even worse, ESPECIALLY James Harden who's been running around with that fat bigfoot all offseason, but self proclaimed himself MVP a few weeks ago:rolleyes:

    Daryl Morey has exceeded my expectations roster wise and assembled a great team (outside of letting Smith go). But the style of play we use has been figured out by other teams. It looks as if we made ZERO adjustments this off season to our offense. I think we need a coach specifically there for the offense
     
  6. leebigez

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    Yep. The rockets have won games, but as a student of the game, they're hard to watch. Guys will throw the stats out over and over, but for a team full of average to below average shooters, I dont like the reliance on the 3 and no mid range. Since, Kerr has taken over, the action off the ball makes them almost impossible to guard. Klay and Chef are great shooters. Green and Barnes are good shooters. As i stated, the action is real.
     
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  7. roksoer

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    Why does this thread have 1 star?

    OP pointed out exactly what's wrong.

    Moreyball doesn't need to go away.
    It's ok as a team philosophy and a general guideline for the offense, but it should stop there.

    Lol to the guy who said having Pop or Phil coach wouldn't make a difference. Those guys install a system which suits their players, they have a bunch of plays that they know will work in certain situations, which they are able to recognize within games. Then they're able to tweak their system to expose opposing teams' weaknesses. They don't just tell their guys to play hard and set good screens. If you're playing for them that's a given. There's a lot more to coaching than that.

    It's ok to use statistics as guidelines but you can't just say that a head coach is +/- 5 wins and then hire a guy who has absolutely no true coaching vision. You can't just say mid range shots are inefficient and then have guys hesitate to shoot open looks from mid range. An open mid range shot is easier to get than an open 3. Having plays for mid range shots gives you more options on offense and makes it harder for the opposing team to prepare.
    Basketball is not black or white. I hope Morey learns that someday.
     
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  8. verysimplejason

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    Excellent system, mediocre coach. Formula 1 car, ordinary driver...
     
  9. Kwame

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    Maury is the architect of this team so you can't just heap praise on him when things go well while absolving him of blame when they don't.

    All these so-called advanced stats and analytics and Maury has the Rockets setting all-time NBA records for 3 pts attempted in a season without one decent 3 pt shooter on the team. But, hey, the quantitative methodology says that jacking up a bunch of threes is the way to go no matter what.

    You know what else the quants and analytics said last week? They had the Lions beating the Vikings and they poured in lots and lots of money predicting this would happen based off their "advanced statistical models" and I shouldn't have to tell you what the result and outcome ended up being.

    One of the biggest flaws of the $ball approach is trying to accumulate a bunch of parts that look good on spreadsheets and assemble them with no regard as to how they will fit and mesh with each other once put together.

    As far as comparing the Rockets to the GSW, please stop. There is no comparison. For example, the Warriors are among the best in the NBA in running plays after time outs and executing sets. The Rockets not so much.
     
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  10. SWTsig

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    Every mouth breather on here who even thinks about starting another brain-damage inducing thread like this should be forced to read this post 100 times first.

    ITS GAME 2 OF AN 82 GAME SEASON. CALM THE F@&K DOWN.
     
  11. PeterKingX

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    This is not Eastern Conference.

    After 20 sucks games, you should say goodbye to playoffs in Western Conference.
     
  12. dobro1229

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    Lol. This is just too much. I'm pretty sure that if anyone outside of Houston is paying attention to our lowly fanbases' mind frame right now, we are now the laughing stock of the Internet.

    I'm pretty sure the lead in from the Texans start is attributing to this rational but I'm pretty much certain that our fanbase generally has lost their damn minds.

    A loss tonight in Miami (which will probably happen given how bad we are playing and injuries) will create a nuclear explosion of stupid happen on this site. Should be fun to watch.
     
  13. SF3isBack!!

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    While this post is indeed stupid we are not a laughingstock because of the fans, I assure you. They are definitely laughing at the way the team has played. If they lose today of course fans are gonna be angry it's common sense. I think we will still be a good team but losing three out the gate is not indicative of a champion.
     
  14. SF3isBack!!

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    My post that he replied to does not agree with this thread. While blaming Morey at this point is premature, McHale deserves some blame for the start. I'm just gonna pray we win today.
     
  15. dobro1229

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    We aren't because people outside of Houston could care less about our fan crazed current mental state.

    I honestly think its a culmination of a hyped up Texans season being such a dissapointment, then leading into a crappy start for a hyped up Rockets team (which never gets hype.... ever) that's led to everyone taking crazy pills. We all know that Houstonians take their sports way too seriously.

    I can't say I blame Rockets fans that much. I sort of understand, but nonetheless its pretty obvious everyone is losing their damn minds around here.

    Just need to get the bigs healthy, get Harden back rolling again, and get a few wins, and let everyone settle the F down.
     
  16. SF3isBack!!

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    Actually I frequent other fans boards and we are not as crazy as you think. The world takes sports too seriously not just Houston. The Dallas board was mental during the playoffs. They were predicting a sweep of Houston. When it didn't happen they went ape ****.
     
  17. FTW Rockets FTW

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    Our offense is basically hot potato around the perimeter and then jack up 3's while having some of the most mediocre 3 point shooters.

    Either that or drive into the paint blindly because they are told so where Ariza will look clumsy, Harden will look for a foul and Corey Brewer will look like he has lost his brain.

    I don't see any back door cuts, off ball screens, high low action etc. And this is what the idiot Mc**** preached. Saying adding Lawson will get Harden more open looks. I call BS so far.
     
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  18. Newlin

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    It's starting to get kind of humorous how upset some of these people get about a sport. It doesn't seem like they get much enjoyment from being a fan. I don't think they even get any enjoyment from the wins. I think they enjoy the complaining more than winning.
     
  19. hakeemthagreat

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    This what I don't get. This is FUNDAMENTALS. If they guard you close on the perimeter you're supposed to cut. Why aren't there any weakside cutters when Harden's dribbling? Where are screens? Our offense is so one dimensional its ridiculous
     
  20. SF3isBack!!

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    Repped
     

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