Lance Berkman campaigns against allowing boys into girls' bathrooms

Terrible logic.

welcome to ignore -- you haven't proven yourself as someone whose posts I value reading

 

I am not against the ordinance but this is absurd.

Perhaps people should be able to walk down the street completely naked or masterbate in public. You may personally be uncomfortable with it, but we cannot ban it.

 

Biologically speaking, it's a bit different than race. I think it's too easy to physiologically conflate sexual orientation with transgender issues as the conditions are deeper and more pervasive than sexual orientation.

At heart, this can be deeply cultural in terms of gender roles and conservative complaints of a continual pussification in modern society.

In ancient pre-Christian influenced societies like Greece, Rome and Japan homosexual acts weren't taboo or even frowned upon. What was taboo or a hit to status in public society was a man not living and acting what a man should do or likewise with women.

Perhaps they were transgender or merely confused, but they didn't have the luxury of science then. They might've recognized the possibility of being born with both sex organs or none at all, but they had no idea despite with "standard" plumbing that chemistry and brain function affects how bodies and souls act in the face of it.

That was like 2500-1500 years ago, but it looks like we have more years to go.

 

Obviously it is an arguing tactic to highlight the point. The point is, "comfort" is relative, and no one in this thread has offered a standard except for personal feelings.

 

Except with both of those there are health concerns in addition to just comfort.

 

bigottexxx, I've called out many many of your racist posts. So don't put this lie forward.

You are the one who is using the great Dr King and twisted his words. The fact that you insult people on here and not listen is anti-thesis to everything Dr. King stood for. You don't even know anything about him obviously. Maybe you should read his writings and not just use some of his lines you looked up to try to deflect away around your own bias.

Dr. King would tell you to look in your heart and see the bias that everyone else here can see in you.

 

Lol, didn't we already do this in the first few pages of the thread? Our civil rights protections in the Constitution need to have administrative machinery to execute through. It's not enough to say discrimination is illegal if you don't provide a process for redress. There is a federal process, but because it's federal, it is harder for the average citizen to access and generally small injustices will not be redressed because they can't get over the barrier to entry. Having a municipal process also makes it much easier for people who have been discriminated against to seek redress.

You could say, actually, that transgenders choosing the appropriate bathroom already has protection at the federal level. A transgendered person could sue for civil rights protections, arguing that being denied access to the woman's room was a violation. It'd have to create some court precedents to define gender. But, honestly it's too small to survive a federal process even with merit. But, I don't think this ordinance grants legal protections that aren't already implicit in the constitution. It just creates some explicit machinery to execute on those protections at the municipal level, just like it does for protecting other people's rights in work, housing, and accommodation. I think your cynicism about the 'true motivations' of our gay mayor are misplaced -- there's much more to this ordinance than bathrooms. Metropolitan areas have been doing these ordinances for decades now, long before transgender and even homosexual discrimination were major issues. What true motivation did they have? It's just convenient to your argument to pretend the rest of it isn't genuine.

 

I'm a heterosexual male, I wish I could use the women's restroom too, much cleaner.

 

If you read the threads on Reddit about it, they say women's are worse.

But this ordinance is not about bathrooms, it's about discrimination.

 

A sane person. Kudos!

 

Yes, I forget who it was telling me he used to clean the bathrooms in a high school, and the girls seemed like they positively evil in how they created filthy bathrooms. It was like they were ill-willed about it.

 

Using a level headed and even keeled approach, I find the single stall unisex bathroom as a simple solution- in my experience they are more convenient and cleaner.

But that approach doesn't work well with the conjecture and fear based crowd worried about hypothetical bathroom rapists and those sneaky bros who will dress up like women in order to get that upskirt in the ladies stall.

 

I'm confused. What bathroom are the transgender people supposed to use. What bathroom do they use now. What bathroom will they use after this is passed?

Let's say a man dresses like a women, but has a penis. Where does he/she go?

 

Well, he's a man, so he should be using the facilities marked "men".

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It's pretty sad that things like this have to be spelled out....

 

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Has there been any recent polling data released on this?

 

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I just want to point out that the only thing that will stop a rapist is more rapists. People arguing that we should have rapist free zones might as well put a blinking sign over bathrooms that says "rape all the women in here!" The only people who will follow the law are law abiding citizens. Criminals will go in there anyway!

 

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