LOL, I am, you should know I'm not big on the "Just winz" of QB's. That said, I don't see greatness when I see Goff....but I haven't looked at him as closely as I should yet and there is plenty of time left in his season to step up.
Clicked on one of the links that said what nfl teams where at what games and the Texans weren't even at Goffs game. We where at Florida state game and Clemson game.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>When it comes down to draft time (way down the road) to get what they want. Texans need Goff, Lynch and Hack to declare to add w/ Cook.</p>— PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/657746746827608064" data-datetime="2015-10-23T21:33:39+00:00">October 23, 2015</a></blockquote> <script src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Maybe OBrien thought he would be there in round 3? Or maybe OBrien realizes that this offseason he is entering year 3 and needs to address the QB position sooner rather than later and that may include paying a premium price for a qb. The point is the Texans need to keep all their options open. And If Goff is the real deal he is going to be gone long before the Texans draft anyway.
http://www.dailynorseman.com/2014/3/24/5541268/from-boom-to-bust-finding-the-right-quarterback Very good article on whats important for a quarterback to succeed in the NFL. It was done before last years draft. He looked at traits the 20 most successful QB's since 1998 had. In order of most importance: Good Pocket Awareness and mobile around the pocket with an ability to "step up" in the pocket (15 of 20 QBs possessed this trait) Smart and made good decisions with the football showing patience (14 of 20 QBs possessed this trait) Good Arm Strength or "Prototypical NFL Arm Strength" (13 of 19 QBs possessed this trait) Good Attitude, leader and fierce competitor (13 of 19 QBs possessed this trait) Has good vision, can see the field and read defenses (11 of 20 QBs possessed this trait) Good accuracy (11 of 20 QBs possessed this trait) Can throw on the run (11 of 20 QBs possessed this trait QB Traits Point Scale Trait #1, Good Pocket Awareness: 7 points Trait #2, Good decision making: 6 Points Trait #3, Good arm strength: 5 Points Trait #4, Leader and good attitude: 5 Points Trait #5, Can read defenses: 4 Points Trait #6, Good accuracy: 4 Points Trait #7, Can throw on the run: 4 Points Total: 35 Points Possible By his point scale (remember this was pre-draft) his top QB's of the draft were: 1. Derek Carr (28 of 35 possible points) 2. Jimmy Garroppolo (27 pf 35 possible points) 3. Teddy Bridgewater (26 or 35 possible points) 4. Aaron Murray (25 of 36 possible points) 5. Blake Bortles (19 of 35 possible points) 6. Zach Mettenberger (17 of 35 possible points) 7. Logan Thomas (10 of 35 possible points) Manziel was (4 of 35 possible points) For previous quarterbacks Christian Ponder ( 9 of 35) - He had accuracy and good leadership Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck had 6 of the 7 traits. Matthew Stafford and Andy Dalton had 5 of the 7 traits.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Talked to 3 GM's in last week. ALL said Jared Goff isn't ready for NFL. Last night he proved it again. Outplayed by a true freshman</p>— Greg Gabriel (@greggabe) <a href="https://twitter.com/greggabe/status/657598746356817921">October 23, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Starting to go back to my prediction of defensive player first round and hackenberg in the 2nd or we move up late first to draft him.
i wanna see during the draft process if mike mayock goes in on goff's and hackenburgs terrible decision making with the football, like he did with jameis winston.
So the real question is... Does Jared Goff have what it takes above the shoulders to make up for everything lacking below? The simple answer is no. Goff is not incapable of processing information as a quarterback, but his ability to do so is not nearly on par with quarterbacks to come out recently with similar arm abilities such as Teddy Bridgewater or even Johnny Manziel. Goff is asked to run a very simple offense at Cal, often throwing short passes in the flats, the shallow middle or hitting open windows down the field. It is important to not take these criticisms seriously in a vacuum though, as I will never discredit a quarterback for hitting open spaces down the field, as Marcus Mariota did countless times at Oregon. However, what I do worry about is what happens when those windows begin to tighten and close. As for Mariota, a quarterback running a more complicated, albeit still "simple" offense, he had very strong games against more athletic defenses such as Ohio State, Washington, UCLA and Stanford, displaying the ability to hit "NFL windows" and function outside the "simplicity" of Oregon's scheme. The story is... different with Jared Goff. In his last games against UCLA, Stanford, Utah and Washington (which would be the most talented defenses he's faced recently), Goff completed under 57% of his passes throwing 8 touchdowns versus 8 interceptions with two of those touchdowns coming in garbage time against UCLA. NFL Comparison: Jared Goff reminds me of Houston Texans Quarterback Brian Hoyer. Like Hoyer, Goff does a good job when everything around him is working well and he makes a point of getting the ball to his best target in order to maximize each play. However, like Hoyer, Goff has a weaker arm and lacks the instincts to constantly overcome it and will opt to play conservatively rather than take chances or work outside of the system. http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/10/27/9620306/jared-goff-scouting-report-quarterback-california-bears-eagles-nfl-draft-arm-strength-weakness
This is super simplistic and frankly not very good analysis. Granted, I'm definitely on board the Goff bandwagon... but either way, it's just not factually right. often throwing short passes in the flats, the shallow middle or hitting open windows down the field. I mean, wtf kind of analysis is this? So, they're saying he makes passes to all areas of the field and is trying to throw it to the more open receivers? Lol... yeah, that's exactly what you want. If they're trying to imply those windows won't be available in the NFL, well, frankly, if you just watch the games, especially these last 4 weeks, what you're seeing is a Cal o-line that isn't holding up at all and receivers that aren't getting the separation they were previously. Has Goff performed amazingly those 4 weeks? Well, no... but it was really 1 AWFUL week. He was great against Washington St. He was more than serviceable against UCLA... frankly it was really pretty good. He looked like the 2nd best QB on the field next to Josh Rosen, but then Rosen was virtually unpressured the whole game, and had receivers with separation. And Rosen IS good. The best NFL QBs aren't amazing either when they have zero time, or their o-line is overmatched. Which is how the PAtriots have lost the the Giants in 2 superbowls, and to the Ravens a couple times in the playoffs. And how Peyton doesn't perform as well against great defense. Aaron Rodgers had a 56 QB rating against the Seahawks in the playoffs last year. Anyway, I would love Goff on the Texans next year. LOL... Go back and watch the game. Or just the highlights. Rosen is never pressured. His receivers always have at least a couple feet of separation. If anyone wants to see what Goff does in those scenarios, go look at his early season games. Plus, Rosen has all the tools
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Love this <a href="https://twitter.com/Andy_Benoit">@Andy_Benoit</a> tape-study dissection of Cal QB Jared Goff. Benoit: “Goff irrefutably projects to stardom.” <a href="https://t.co/riMPPuuZ3b">https://t.co/riMPPuuZ3b</a></p>— Peter King (@SI_PeterKing) <a href="https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/659021051393908736">October 27, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Im actually very surprised to see so much press about Goff "not being ready"...lol, that's like one big joke. If anyone has actually watched his OLine crumple within milliseconds of the snap, then maybe they'd realize that Goff is actually performing quite well under the circumstances. Give the guy a little bit of time and he can make every single possible throw on the field. He's easily the top QB in my mind and barring some sort of injury or domestic violence issue, he'll be the top QB off the board.
Isn't it wild how little consensus there is among scouts regarding the exact same player? Every year, it blows my mind how two scouts - with equal success in their work history and with the exact number of years of experience - can look at one player and have two almost opposing viewpoints on his future. Even in subjective fields like music, movies, food, photography, art, etc. you can get a general consensus of whether or not something is "good" or not based on a large sample of "expert" opinions. Will you always agree with that expert opinion? Of course not... (I'm looking at you Crash and The English Patient). But those are the exception rather than the rule, correct? I mean, you give Aaron Franklin a James Beard award because even though it's only lowly barbecue, enough "experts" can generally agree that it's otherworldly. When it comes to scouting, though, I can rattle off a hundred guys that nobody could agree on (Manziel, Bridgewater, and Bortles definitely come to mind). I can also rattle off a hundred guys that everyone agreed on and they still sucked (Ryan Leaf, Aaron Curry, Luke Hochevar, Greg Oden, Hasheem Thabeet*). *I know not everyone agreed that all of those guys should've been drafted as high as they were. But there was a consensus that all of those guys were worthy of being drafted high. Point being, if Leaf hadn't gone in the top 2, it's not like he would've fallen to the 3rd round or gone undrafted. He likely still would've been a high first round pick (same with those other busts). Just struck me as curious, that's all...
Not trying to step on toes... it just stuck out to me as a movie that critics almost universally agreed was great, it won the Best Picture Oscar (as did The English Patient), yet there are a lot of everyday cinefiles, myself included, that didn't enjoy it at that level or grant it as much esteem. You kind of back up my point though. Crash, while not my cup of tea, is a good movie. It's well acted/shot/edited/scored. It has a ton of excellent, charismatic actors in it. I personally found it a bit maudlin but no denying that it was well made... e.g. the critics were right even though I didn't personally enjoy the film at the level they did. This is completely derailing the thread and I apologize. I was just trying to make a larger point about lack of consensus among pro scouts.
WalterFootball.com's way-too-early mock draft has the Texans selecting Goff in the first and Henry in the 2nd. http://walterfootball.com/draft2016.php I like it!
