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#AssaultAtSpringValley

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Oct 26, 2015.

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  1. Amiga

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    Cop is fired and yes, she was recently orphaned.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-s-teen-assaulted-deputy-orphan-article-1.2414901

    School need to take much responsibility and rethink using cop only when absolutely needed or for safety reason. Do your job to support, educate and safe guard your students.
     
  2. SF3isBack!!

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    WOW, That's rough. I lost my MOM to cancer at a young age and was inconsolable. Can't imagine how messed up it is this happening right after you find that out. Makes this situation worse.
     
  3. sirbaihu

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    I've taught college for over twenty years. 2 things:

    The teacher epic failed.

    The officer did this because of the identity of the student. I taught a Prairie View for a while. I guarantee you 1000% that officer would not pull that on some of those LeBron James-looking dudes out at Prairie View. He picked on a girl. Plus, if that girl was white, it wouldn't have happened.
     
  4. Nook

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    Yeah.... Except there are several articles that stated she was 18, which is where I got the information from.
     
  5. dragician

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    You didn't see the part where the cop threw teh girl like a wrestling match?
     
  6. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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  7. HamJam

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    Very interesting to see the response of those defending this cop now that we know the girl's behavior was directly tied to the fact she had just found out that she had become an orphan.

    Bad behavior from kids does not occur in a vacuum. It often has a sad story or mental instability behind it. Responding to it with mindless brute force (i.e. police) is a stupid solution. Those bureaucrats with guns are often ill equipped and/or unwilling to handle sensitive situations of people in pain and needing help in a manner which any decent person would think is proper.

    People need to stop defending mindless authority and start trying to find more constructive, intelligent and humane ways to handle social issues, such as misbehaving children.

    First and foremost should be an increase in mental health resources in our country. It seems people on both the left and right (especially after mass shootings) agree this is necessary -- but it needs to happen, and stop simply being a talking point.
     
  8. FishBulb913

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    Personally, I think the news about her mothers passing should not sway your view of what the officer did one way or the other.

    To me this makes the teacher look even worse. The teacher had to be aware of this student's personal circumstances, you would think they would find a way to handle it without police.
     
  9. HamJam

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    I think the news about the girl's mothers passing is important because it highlights the kafkaesque absurdity of the situation. Not only is this a girl getting arrested for not listening to her teacher, not only is it a teenage girl getting thrown across a room by a very large man, but it is a grieving girl in mourning who, because she can't handle how upset she is, is subsequently thrown across a room and then arrested.

    It just helps make the ridiculousness of over policing in our society really poignant in my opinion.

    As for the teacher, I doubt he knew about the girl's situation. I don't see any reason to assume he did. And, given his behavior and statements afterwards, I certainly hope he didn't know.

    The thing is, of course the cop and the teacher didn't know -- but, as I said, since we are all people who have dealt with things, we should know that bad behavior never occurs in a vacuum. We should provide mental health resources to people who can't cope and function in society, not attack them with mindless thugs like the cop in the video.
     
  10. Cohete Rojo

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    Did she receive a text indicating that her mother had just passed away?
     
  11. Bobbythegreat

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    If she just got a text about her mother dying....why the hell was she still in class? I wouldn't have been.
     
  12. TheRealist137

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    Does it matter why? People behave differently to different things, I know, novel concept.

    I'll say this, I'm glad that this incident was recorded. The more videos come to light, the easier it is to identify police brutality and recognize that it is a major problem within our police force.

    I mean, these officers KNOW that they are being recorded, yet they still try to pull these things. Imagine what the world was like 30 years ago, ESPECIALLY racist cops against poor blacks. No wonder black people have a built-in fear of law enforcement, you can't help it.
     
  13. DonnyMost

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    I believe this is a case of people taking two separate storylines (her looking at her phone/receiving a text and her being orphaned by the death of her mother) and smashing them together, either through confusion or to deliberately color the incident (which has been happening repeatedly in this thread), without actually corroborating this highly unlikely set of events.

    edit: Turns out her mother is not deceased. She simply has no acting parent. She's in foster care. As it so often is, a troubled homelife probably did not contribute positively to this unfortunate situation.

     
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    cop is not only out of job but he's also facing criminal charges for assault..
     
  15. Bobbythegreat

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    Yeah....she looked so afraid that she refused to follow his orders leading to him having to forcefully remove her from her desk. Must have been fear....

    Maybe people need MORE fear so they'll do the right thing.
     
  16. Rocket River

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    At this point, I am beginning to wonder . . . .WHAT, in this land of the free, IS *NOT* A CRIMINAL OFFENSE?

    Everything is actionable by authority to supercede your rights and violate you based on nothing more than they are an 'authority figure'.

    If you driving, doing nothing wrong .. . a cop can stop you . . ..and no one bats an eye
    If you ask why he stopped you . . .you are showing attitude and now he wants to search your car .. . ..and no one bats an eye
    If you refuse to allow it . .. then he can detain you . . . . ..and no one bats an eye
    He can use this to say he has probable cause and search your car anyway . . . . . ..and no one bats an eye
    If you try to stop him . . . . he can beat your down and even kill you . . . .. . ..and no one bats an eye

    THIS IS THE LAND OF THE 'FREE'?
    If the senario I wrote played out exact as I stated . . . .there would be those that would say . . .well he should have complied with the search . . he should not have tried to USE HIS RIGHTS TO PREVENT AN ILLEGAL SEARCH . . . He should have not resisted
    THIS IS AMERICA????
    THIS IS THE LAND OF THE FREE?

    They hate us for our freedom . . .. WHAT FREEDOM???

    Rocket River
     
  17. HamJam

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    vis a vis your edit -- I wonder what the heck the New York Daily News was referring to saying her mother and grandmother had died. I wonder if there is more to the story (e.g. it was a foster parent or non-biological caretaker who had died -- which can be just as bad) or if it was just irresponsible journalism.
     
  18. Bobbythegreat

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    No, a cop can not stop you if you are really doing nothing wrong. They have to have a reason to initiate a stop. Of course the problem is when people THINK that the cop has no reason to stop them when in reality they really do. Lots of people get in trouble for acting like fools when they mistakenly think that cops have no reason to stop them.

    There's a difference between asking why you were stopped and being a prick. Some people don't realize this and it often leads to trouble. If you treat the cop that pulls you over poorly, you can't really expect them to be nice to you. In fact, if you act hostile towards a cop that pulls you over, you are essentially begging the cop to search your car and put you though whatever reindeer games he can justify.


    Because that's the law. If he has probable cause, and that's probable cause not in your mind but in his mind, then he can search your car. If you try to stop him, you should expect to be "beat down" because trying to stop him is assaulting a police officer, if you assault them enough, you can expect them to kill you.

    The problem here is that this life is hard, but it's harder if you're stupid.

    Ask yourself, what would a person have to gain by being a prick to a cop? What would they have to gain by assaulting a cop or by refusing to comply with a cop's orders?

    It's just being stupid for the sake of being stupid.
     
  19. DonnyMost

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    I believe it was the result of a quote from her lawyer, i.e. "She is recently orphaned".

    The mindless angry mob then took that and ran with it all the way to "she checked her phone only to find she had a text saying her mom died".
     
  20. HamJam

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    Dude, Bobby, that's sounds fascist as heck man. Now, since you hate the proto-fascist Trump just as much as I do, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are not a fascist -- just saying, that statement sounds authoritarian as all get out.
     

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