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FIRE RICK SMITH!!!

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by ipaman, Oct 26, 2015.

  1. mick fry

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    Because that's what he does. He's a freakin patsy who has no business running a professional organization. McNair can either hire a GM with some nads or stay status quo and suck!
     
  2. Hey Now!

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    Is this a trap? It feels like a trap...

    Honestly? I don't know if I can conjure enough care to work up a take worth a damn. I thought Smith should have been shown the door with Kubiak; it made no sense not to clean house then. And now I'm leaning toward wanting another housecleaning, top to bottom.

    IMO, I think a general manager should be the franchise leader and the head coach should buy-in to his philosophy and be, in essence, a good soldier; coaches/managers have far too much power/control. Most of them are fundamentally stupid people (ex-athletes, and all). The Astros and Rockets do this and I think it pushes everyone in the same direction.

    In terms of BOB, I think I was in the minority but I was turned off by his Hard Knocks performance; I found it wildly unflattering and immature. And I just can't imagine McNair was happy with it. And watching him bungle the QB situation the way he has has really soured me on him. He may be a competent coach... for a college program. I'm not sure his shtick plays in the NFL.
     
  3. Nimo

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    You do know that some successful NFL teams just give the coaches autonomy, right? They have staff that do what Rick Smith does, they just don't call them general managers. The structure is not the problem here. The problem here is the coaches aren't able to get good play out of the players they asked for.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Texans cornerback Darryl Morris on team's standards: 'This is a first-class organization. They definitely have first-class expectations.'</p>&mdash; Aaron Wilson (@AaronWilson_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/659439527430242304">October 28, 2015</a></blockquote>
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  5. Haymitch

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    Pancakes was on 610 (I think) this morning and was trying to explain their relationship in between his laborious breaths. He said BoB tells Rick Smith who he wants on the team, then Rick Smith "signs off on it." Pancakes insisted that this is Rick Smith's team though and not BoB's, because Rick Smith is the one with the final say.
     
  6. Hey Now!

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    I believe two coaches have autonomy: Belicheck and Kelly. That's it. Now, in terms of how coaches work with GMs... who's to say. But only two coaches have total autonomy over the roster.
     
  7. RasaqBoi

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    So everything he just said but opposite. Pancakes wrong 9/10 times.
     
  8. lnchan

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    Who has more job security: Pancakes or Rick Smith?
     
  9. Nimo

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    I stopped reading at Pancakes


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  10. Nimo

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    My point is that system can work provided the coach is good at what he does and knows the types of players needed. I guarantee you Rick Smith is not going to sign/draft a player if the coach insist he's not going to work.
     
  11. Rudyc281

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    Just throw a boatload of money at Kevin sumlin
     
  12. DonnyMost

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    Not a trap, but an honest question to the two guys who bristled the hardest at Rick Smith being more accountable than BOB for the roster.
     
  13. Mr. Clutch

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    Oh I think they're both accountable. BOB because he chooses the players and Rick because he just signs off on everything
     
  14. DonnyMost

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    That's why I asked your opinion, because that article basically states that Rick has ultimate say over the roster (and personnel). That flies in the face of the whole "BOB is wholly responsible for everyone on the roster" thing.

    If BOB can handle the Xs and Os, gameplanning, and or coaching/development, then he has something to contribute... (not saying he can or can't just yet, last year seemed OK, this year is awful)

    Rick Smith, on the other hand, has been an abject failure in his duties (talent management).
     
  15. Torn n Frayed

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    Only if he brings Dave South with him to do radio play by play! :grin:
     
  16. Mr. Clutch

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    I couldn't make sense of that article. It says BOB makes the decisions on the roster but since Rick does the actual paperwork that it's Ricks roster?
     
  17. Hey Now!

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    ??????????????
     
  18. DonnyMost

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    You two jumped on me for holding Smith accountable for Savage going on IR and then posted an article claiming BOB had total control over the roster, which was refuted by an article posted after that which laid out the responsibilities like so. So, naturally, I'm curious if this new information changes your minds at all.
     
  19. Hey Now!

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    I've always assumed it works like this: Kubiak/BOB have types in mind... Smith and his staff scout and narrow the choices that fit that type down to the... 3-5, 6 - however many they think that are the best within Kubiak/BOB's requirements, and then together, Smith and Kubiak/BOB make a selection.

    And if that is indeed the way it works, I don't see a problem with it, generally speaking.
     
  20. DonnyMost

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    I thought it was pretty simple.

    Again.
    So, when they call a halfback pass from their own 1 yard line and epically fail, that's on BOB. And when they sign some washed up veteran for obscene amounts of money, that's on Smith.
     

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