She was being disobedient and disrupting the classroom. She was asked to leave by the teacher and principal. When they couldn't get her to leave, they asked the school officer to. If he can't ask her nicely, calling for backup to get another officer to ask nicely won't get her to leave. Her parents likely couldn't have asked her to get up, and if they could, they most likely would not get there in a timely manner so that class could continue. She didn't seem like the type to calmly leave if you called N+1 people. So how do you get her to leave so that class could continue?
Believe it or not people get people to leave without resorting to violence very frequently. Putting her life at risk because she is being disobedient is not the answer. Her leaving isn't more important than her life. This is the problem with posters here - they don't value people's lives - it's if you break the law, then be prepared to die. It's sick.
This seems like one of those infrequent times. Using physical force at any times puts a life at risk, but was there much risk involved from a wrestling match? I don't really think so. It's not like he piledrived her or used a weapon. @Carl - We can't say for sure how disruptive she was. Actively using a cell phone in class is disruptive and there's reason they're not allowed in school. The teacher certainly felt that the class was disrupted, but that's a subjective call. There most likely was a degree of "respect authority" from the teacher to the principal to the officer. As an authority figure, you have to enforce the rules or you let the students run all over you. I understand their reasoning for trying to enforce the rules. I can't understand the student's reason other than teenage irrationality.
Seems? Based on what? That was not a wrestling match, that was a very dangerous flip of someone onto their head area with a desk. It was risky - very risky, and unnecessary. The goal of a cop in the school is primarily to make sure NO ONE gets hurt. The only time you break that rule is to make sure NO ONE gets even more seriously hurt. That cop gets an F at his job in that instance. He should get detention.
I have been doing some classroom observations at a local "continuation high school" populated with kids who struggle with regular school and often got sent there after getting kicked out of regular school for behavior issues. A number of their kid go there straight out of jail, too, and are affiliated with rival gangs. So, from time to time the teachers and SRO need to physically intervene. My impression is that those teachers don't take the confrontational approach to discipline and things are mostly peaceful and the students actually try, though their academic skills coming in are typically very poor. Anyway, I am gonna talk to a few of these guys tomorrow and hear how they feel about this event.
Listen to the judo guy. He knows a lot. And since things can get misconstrued online that was a 100% dead serious comment.
That's what the money is for. You sign up for the job of a peace officer and you expect to deal with some difficult, and even dangerous situations. Disobedient kids are pretty low on the scale of things one faces as a police officer. Same goes with teachers. You know what you signed up for.
Exactly. Anytime a 250 pound person grabs you by your freaking neck and starts to twist it, your survival instinct is going to cause 99.9999% of the population to have some sort of physical response to prevent your attacker (and make no mistake about it, the police officer flat out assaulted this teenager) from severely injuring, if not killing you. Anyone who says they wouldn't defend themselves from a chokehold is flat out lying or simply doesn't really care if they live or due. There's a reason the chokehold is banned by most PD's.
Detention? Parents? You think defiant students who don't follow basic instructions will even show up to detention, not disrupt detention even if they somehow do go, and have parents who give a damn about their behavior? If their parents gave a **** about stuff like this, the child wouldn't have turned out like this in the first place. Let the disruptive student sit there and ignore them? What do you think disruptive means? You want the other 20 kids to not feel safe or be able to get an education for that day because you're afraid to confront one brat?
Disorderly conduct is a crime, which may have been the case before the video was taken, we have no way to be sure.
She refused to give up her phone and she refused to leave, that's it. There are good cops out there and I'm so tired of people sticking up for the bad ones, it makes the good ones look guilty too.
That sounds like a case of a bad teacher or administrator then to order the policeman to arrest or remove the student instead of waiting until class was over to remove the teen or notify the parents of the student's suspension or other disciplinary consequence instead.
What I'm saying is how do you find good people who want to do this job nowadays. Evidently, nowadays a lot of people think it's perfectly acceptable to do whatever they damn well please, and who think they don't have to follow the instructions of any authority figure. Whether it be a parent, a teacher, or a police officer. How do you find good people who want to take a low paying thankless jobs, dealing with increasingly hostile and uncooperative people.
There is not exactly a police shortage in this country. The job plays pretty well considering the generous retirement benefits and not even needing a college degree. I suspect that we will find enough people willing and able do the job right if we lose the officers who would quit over not being allowed to beat up citizens whenever frustrated. The same goes with teachers. And nobody is saying that the student shouldn't get disciplined--- just that throwing her to the ground right there is totally the wrong tactic to use.
So what did happen? A teen age girl was violently wrestled down onto the ground in plain view of the rest of the class and caught on video. Regardless of what you think the girl did, or what you think of the police, do you honestly believe that was the correct outcome? What could have been done? I agree with those that suggested the class room should have been cleared of students. I also think additional adults should have been there in case the girl continued to resist the direction of the teacher and/or officer. Worst case I would have waited the girl out (while waiting for the parents to arrive to take their child home). In hindsight, would not any of the above been a better approach and outcome?
