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Appears the cop was trying to remove her from the desk (hand under left leg, arm over opposite shoulder), she resisted (leaned back, stuck her legs out, and also struck the officer), and therefore the desk tipped backwards. After the desk fell, with a little extra pull he was able to get her out of it, and then move her to an area to detain her safely/away from other students or objects. I have a hard time faulting the cop here. The girl was expelled from the class, and asked repeated by the teacher, admin, and cop to leave. She wouldn't, so she was forcibly removed so class could continue. Whether it was right to expel the girl for whatever she did is another matter purely on the teacher/administrator. But the cop did was he was tasked with (removing the girl from class) as safely and quickly as he could without resorting to something like a taser (which would've been worse).
^agreed. From the first video, it looks like the cop is throwing her around in the desk like a rag doll. The second video gives a better angle with much better resolution. Hard to really blame the cop when the girl makes it worse for herself.
ARE ****ING KIDDING? THE COP OVERREACTED. THAT WAS TOTALLY UNNECESSARY. Put your child in her place. You wouldn't think that was ok. Don't give me "my kid wouldn't act like that". Not the point.
If that were my child I'd be extremely disappointed in them. If I had acted that way in school, it's exactly how I would have expected to be treated.
If it were my kid, I'd say they acted inappropriately and deserved it. I'd be extremely disappointed in them for how they act and in myself for not instilling the values I believe. Read Donny's play-by-play. Watch the second clip. You can see the actions the girl takes to anchor herself in her desk. The cop never struck her, never used a weapon. He did it as peaceably as he could, but she resisted as much as she could.
I think there are two mentally unstable people in this incident. The major deal is one have a state sponsored license and a consistent state system of unaccountability with general public support that enable whatever means deem necessary to protect and serve that system. It's funny how people are so concern about government being too powerful but willinging give up much power to the police system.
No, that 13 year old girl deserved that. The officer was just fearing for his life and the safety of everyone around him, you don't know whats going to happen when it comes to blows with someone. He just wants to go home at night. There was obviously no more peaceful way of resolving and deescalating the situation.
The only alternative endings I've heard from others that seem even remotely plausible are: 1) carrying/dragging the girl, desk and all, into the hallway 2) emptying the classroom (ostensibly canceling the rest of class and perhaps all future classes scheduled in the room that day) I see both options as highly flawed (although legally safer) and not necessarily what I would expect to happen if I were in the girl's place.
If what Donny said was true, the student was asked by teachers and administrators to leave the class before the officer was called. The officer tried politely asking, but the student is doing her best to stay put. At what point is force allowed? If it's only when someone is in danger, then we as a society can resist police for any minor crime and the police will be unable to enforce the law. When I saw the first video, I thought the cop was clearly in the wrong. The second video gives more detail and a different story.
It is pointless trying to convince those who defend the cops that change is needed. All they respect is force and power. So, the only option we who are tired of living in a police state have left is to organize and make ourselves powerful enough to use force to stop cops from being in our communities and treating us this way. This video shows a large armed state empowered man who is a strength and conditioning coach for the school football team needlessly manhandling a teenage girl who was not being violent in any way shape or form. And we have people defending the cop -- like we always do and always will. I repeat, if you are really tired of this kind of stuff, it seems like the only option for change available to us is radical and forceful measures.
To be fair - I don't remember ever seeing a student removed from class by an officer when I was in high school. What did she do?
I don't remember seeing this either, but I also don't ever remember seeing a student refuse to leave class when asked. She supposedly used her phone in class, which is against the rules, and then refused to relinquish her phone to the teacher. From there it escalated to "go to the principals office", to which she also refused. At that point, the teacher has little recourse other than either removing the student, removing the class, or just basically tabling the entire thing until after class (probably the preferred ending).
After speaking to a friend (who is a school cop), he said that typically in that situation you would clear the classroom before confronting the student. In his experience he says that typically once you remove the audience, the actor then has no one to "play up to", and the situation is resolved more often than not (it's also safer for the students). Interesting take on things, and it makes sense. I think the blame falls somewhat on the administrator/teacher for letting things get to that level. Was a phone really worth all that? And why wasn't it handled as described above?
I never said force shouldn't ever be allowed. You can't honestly say that this was the best and most non-violent way to handle the situation, that is all I am claiming. I just hate that people oftentimes give cops a blank check on use of force when they are handling someone who is technically in the wrong. We don't want our police to handle situations this way especially in a school setting.
