1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

2015 Offseason Priority List

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by astros123, Sep 18, 2015.

  1. conquistador#11

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2006
    Messages:
    39,161
    Likes Received:
    28,306
    definitely he had the best quotes about reed. i was just struck by the title of his new position. never seen it before.
     
  2. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    59,893
    Likes Received:
    132,823
    Go read Morgan's old Wordpress or if you ever spend any time around him, you wouldn't be shocked that they gave him some bizarro new aged title.... He is very smart and does things his own way... He is in the perfect organization for his approach, he and Luhnow and Mejdal can all wear their electro current skull caps and discuss how using an oxygen chamber between innings will increase Kazmir's late season performance by 5%.
     
  3. awc713

    awc713 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2012
    Messages:
    6,479
    Likes Received:
    6,162
    Doesn't look like we're the first to employ the 'mental coach':

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Morgan Ensberg though has a new role: mindset coach. Mental skills coach, basically. Other orgs have similar job. He’ll be a rover.</p>&mdash; Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) <a href="https://twitter.com/EvanDrellich/status/657318066104221696">October 22, 2015</a></blockquote>
    <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
     
  4. TheRealist137

    TheRealist137 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2009
    Messages:
    35,434
    Likes Received:
    22,571
    Ben Zobrist is the guy we should have tried to acquire all along.
     
  5. cheke64

    cheke64 Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2009
    Messages:
    25,843
    Likes Received:
    17,814
    Dont trade any of core players. Dont even touch the roster. I have high hopes for this team and we gonna see.
     
  6. Rileydog

    Rileydog Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2002
    Messages:
    5,970
    Likes Received:
    6,973
    Agree we don't touch the core players but that's only correa, springer, Altuve, Keuchel, McCullers. The roster must be improved. We can't get complacent and think their growth and more young talent up the pipeline is enough. you can't count on 86 wins to get into the playoffs. The Rangers get Darvish back. The Angels are a high payroll team and will bolster their pitching. The Yanks will reload and Boston won't stay down.
     
  7. rocketpower2

    rocketpower2 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    11,030
    Likes Received:
    2,394
    While I agree with you, the growth and experience from this past year alone will improve this team tenfold. We don't need to overhaul the roster, just improve incrementally.
     
  8. sealclubber1016

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2010
    Messages:
    21,407
    Likes Received:
    34,593
    We had offensive issues last year. A full year of Correa will help, a full season of Gomez will also help. But with Gattis/Carter/Rasmus/Valbuena/Marisnick and the Catchers we typically had a massive block of high K, low OBP players.

    They need to do something to break that up so the famine stretches don't destroy the overall offense the way they did at times last year. Nobody is calling for an overhaul, but just bringing back the exact same team with a better bullpen would be a bad idea. There are some things we can improve, and I expect they will.

    At least 2 of those 6 high K, low OBP players will be gone IMO. Those that do return will have less PA than last season.
     
  9. The Beard

    The Beard Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2012
    Messages:
    11,379
    Likes Received:
    7,123
    While I would tend to agree with you

    Basically all of those guys other than Rasmus had "disappointing " years

    If we could improve one of those spots, and the others improve a little themselves

    Adding a shut down closer could easily be enough
     
  10. GottaHaveHeart

    Joined:
    May 4, 2015
    Messages:
    461
    Likes Received:
    267
    Ensberg "Mental Coach" couldn't even get his bat stance on point.
     
  11. astros123

    astros123 Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2013
    Messages:
    13,792
    Likes Received:
    11,275
    we basically need someone with average to high average BA. Also in this mix we need someone who to sure up our bullpen. We can all agree on this right?
     
  12. cangrejero51

    cangrejero51 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2014
    Messages:
    4,920
    Likes Received:
    44
    Toronto did it with Osuna, NY Mets with Familia, and KC with Davis, yes Davis.

    Davis was a starter for the Rays, and he WANTED to start, but as a reliever he was great and stayed there.

    We have a surplus of starters, but need bullpen help. Why trade and give talent when we can fill those spots with VV and/or Feliz?

    I think we need to re sign Sipp and have VV as set up and maybe later on the year, closer.

    Gregerson/VV/ Sipp/ Harris/Neshek/Fields should be good enough. If we can get another power arm without losing draft spots or players via trade fine.

    The team needs to do something about our DH. I would try and sign Morneau for a 1 year deal and with what we have within should be enough. Is time to see what Singleton can bring in the majors, fight for the 1b/DH if Morneau is not sign with Reed, Gattis and Tucker. Maybe even a guy like White who is hitting everywhere he goes, and is a walk guy.

    I don't think we need major moves, I would not mind Kazmir back, with Sipp and maybe Morneau. Others, battle and the best players should play, and not like we did the WHOLE year with GAttis who did not hit much as a DH.
     
  13. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    59,893
    Likes Received:
    132,823
    If the Astros go with the same pen but only add VV, then they are foolish. They need a hammer at the end of the pen and they will get one. The value VV has is as a starter. They would be better off trading him for assets because that is where his value lies in baseball. Why risk VV in the pen when they can get an elite closer in trade?

    You can get something pretty good for VV and Feliz in trade, possibly a bat or a front line starter at the deadline.

    The Astros do need a DH.... but they also need a 3rd baseman, short term 1st baseman and/or a catcher that can hit. DH can be filled the easiest, it can even be whoever is getting an off day on the field.

    Would you deal VV and Tucker for Lucroy? That solves the catcher situation for the next few seasons. You could increase the trade to Lind, Lucroy and KRod for VV, Tucker, Oberholtzer, Angel-Sierra and another top 10 prospect. You solve your catcher, closer and 1st base/DH problem in one trade for about 22-23 million in increased payroll.

    Altuve
    LuCroy
    Springer
    Correa
    Lind
    Gomez
    Reed
    (Third baseman)
    Marisnick


    There are a lot of options out there, the key is Luhnow properly evaluating his own prospects and maximizing the other ones in trade for players under team friendly deals that can plug holes successfully.
     
  14. sealclubber1016

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2010
    Messages:
    21,407
    Likes Received:
    34,593
    I don't think we invest anything in a full time 1B, Reed and White are gonna play 1st next year.

    LF/DH and 3B if they can find one. That's where we look to upgrade the teams OBP. A lot of guys have talked about going after LuCroy. I wonder if the Astros have any thought about moving Gattis back to catcher part time. Go into next season we a 3 man C/DH platoon of Castro/LuCroy/Gattis.

    Thay way you can keep LuCroy's bat in the lineup every day, keep him fresh, and always have a 3rd catcher since LuCroy will be DHing a lot. It would also allow you to play LuCroy at 1B occasionally. Gattis would really just be an emergency catcher, which may be a role he already played last year.
     
  15. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 1999
    Messages:
    36,288
    Likes Received:
    26,645
    These are the same guys that were in the bullpen that imploded in September.
     
  16. jim1961

    jim1961 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2010
    Messages:
    18,457
    Likes Received:
    14,665
    While true, it would be more worthwhile to know why, not simply that they did.

    Was it:

    1) They were tired from over-usage?
    2) Opponents figured them out?
    3) Personal issues?
    4) Clubhouse mojo?

    What?
     
  17. cangrejero51

    cangrejero51 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2014
    Messages:
    4,920
    Likes Received:
    44
    VV was used seldomly and as long reliever most of the part.

    I want VV or Feliz used the same way Rangers used Kela, KC used Davis, Toronto used Osuna and Mets used Familia.
     
  18. Mkieke

    Mkieke Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2010
    Messages:
    1,606
    Likes Received:
    736
    You can't go into the season banking on VV. You make a move for a top of the line Closer, and if VV progresses to the point where he's shutting hitters down in late game situations, you can move the Closer at the deadline to re-coup some assets.

    Also, just a couple points:

    1) In the majors, he posted a 5.09 ERA coming out of the bullpen
    2) In the minors, he posted a 4.05 ERA coming out of the bullpen, typically in the 8th or 9th inning. Granted, most or all of the runs came from 1 outing and it's still a small sample size, but I would be shocked if VV were our bullpen's saving grace.
     
  19. Major

    Major Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 1999
    Messages:
    41,681
    Likes Received:
    16,205
    If they acquire a top of the line closer and are competitive this season (as expected), they aren't moving him at the deadline under any circumstance. If VV becomes awesome, he'll be a great setup guy, but no competitive team is going to trade a proven elite closer midseason. Only way that happens is if the season doesn't go as expected.
     
  20. kaleidosky

    kaleidosky Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2002
    Messages:
    15,086
    Likes Received:
    1,352
    Wait, so you're saying VV doesn't automatically become as good as Osuna if you "use him like Toronto used Osuna"? I assumeed they must be the same player.
     

Share This Page