[Another day in America] John Henson racially profiled at jewelry store

The garbagey premise that public lending libraries and free reading and math classes don't allow poor people or black people to learn?

 

Except that hard work is not always enough to excel in education. Intelligence has some part to play in academics as much as many oppose this notion and consider academics just 'book smarts'. A toddler's mind is very impressionable and how a parent nurtures a child at that age is a significant factor in determining future intelligence.

 

No I framed the argument that there is equal opportunity to anyone willing to take advantage of it. I am sure it bothered you that I agreed with you but please do not let that get in the way of you and myself BOTH being right. Just because we disagree on other issues does not mean you have to go against me when we both are implying the SAME point albeit possibly in different terms.

 

The same lack of intelligence you speak of is not race specific. It affects ALL races. If you are implying it affects blacks more than other races then I disagree 100%!!!! That would be the epitome of racism.

 

When for 400 years, African Americans had a significant disadvantage in educational opportunities with 300 years of slavery where even basic literacy education was stifled and an additional 100 years of segregated schools where black segregated schools received pathetic funding relative to its counterparts which all theoretically ended with legislation in 1964, 51 years ago, which is less than one average human lifespan ago, then yes, African Americans have a much more significant chance of being born into a family where their parents have not received higher education relative to any other race in the U.S.

 

Why do these kind of discussions almost always devolve into what "the blacks" should do from the reference point of people who have little to no understand of African-American culture? Much less any other African culture.

 

Some standard responses:
- Don't blacks have a responsibilty about how they are perceived?
- It happened over 50 years ago, it isn't affecting anybody alive!
- Why can't they just get over it?
- Blacks kill blacks too!
- Their own people sold them!!

Very predictable arch for these kinds of threads

 

Like your hollow uninformed airs about black and "African" culture, in a discussion exclusively related to experiences and interactions in a predominantly white country.

Oliver Tambo, Joseph Kassavubu, Haile Selassei. Tell me you can recognize or discuss at least one of these guys.

 

Go ahead and disregard this last post; too many tangents as it is.

 

I'm familiar with Selassei because of my interactions with some of my family members who are Rastafarians.

Would you do me the favor of answering my first question? The one about how these kinds of threads always have a very predictable end. Assuming you create a worth-while response, I will get around to responding to it.

 

I am still waiting for someone to address the question I see a lot of evasion here.

Why I ask are blacks AS A GROUP less successful in achieving the American dream than other groups both "white" and "immigrant" groups. Why are blacks 6 times more likely to be incarcerated?

What is the reason for this trend at a racial level? How do you explain it?

If it is not racism, then what is it? How do you explain the statistical difference?

Please do not evade the question. You can call me a troll for asking you a simple question, but I would call you a coward and that you in fact have been exposed and undressed if you are not willing to answer a basic question.

 

Sweet Lou, it is a cultural. There is no plot to keep black people down. If you can't see that then I do not know what to tell you. The same opportunities exist for anyone in the country but you have to go out and work for it. As pouhe pointed out, there are many examples of black successes and white failures. The thing is even if you fail you have to keep on working to succeed. You ask why black people are incarcerated more?? Perhaps the answer is that they commit more crimes but that is a cultural thing too. When you have so many fatherless households with the government taking the place as the money provider in the household, young black children are not taught the value of work. On welfare, they will never get ahead in life so unfortunately many turn to crime. These same people go on to father children they do not support so these children grow up in the same situation.

How do we as a country correct this issue?? I do not know if there is a good answer. I believe it has to start within the black culture. Black leaders need to quit trying to make everyone a victim and learn to actually lead and inspire young black children to go out and take advantage of the opportunities available to them but so many black leaders like Jesse Jackson, Sharpton, etc.... make a living off of the victim status. Many times when a black person does succeed they basically are almost treated like enemies. Ben Carson is a perfect example of this.

Throwing more money at the situation will never fix it. Until the culture changes and young black children grow up believing they will succeed in life by taking advantage of their opportunities and with hard work, this will continue to be a problem. Successful black people should be set as role models and not as enemies. Successful black people should look to younger blacks and do their best to inspire them to success.

 

These are my top 2 reasons why local blacks AS A GROUP less successful than other groups.

1. They can't keep their pants on.

2. They abandon their kids and mother(s) of their kids.

There is an old saying.

Once you go black you don't go back... you go on welfare.

 

There is no race or ethnicity of whom even a tenth of its members commits crimes: the elective ethical and behavioral choice behind incarceration; so both sides at some point can stop pretending there's any kind of a crisis. Success is not achieved collectively, it is done so individually; and very easily through the standardized and heavily subsidized and financed public and private pipelines of education and corporate, industrial or retail employment. The blacks that succeed aren't doing so because you denigrate hard work on a BBS; they understand that all prosperity in this country has a tax and a toll, be it limiting one's recreational or social indulgences, or pro-actively identifying shared values and circumstances with the other 88% of the population and partnering with them to work towards very plainly stated and structured goals.

 

I urge you to lay off the wounded invective and stop proffering google searches to reinforce the false continuity of racial oppression as a pretext for personal failure in a $17 trillion economy with libraries and free public education in every state, county and city.

 

Yeah we're nowhere near the same page on this. You've clearly subconsciously avoided or disdained blacks your entire life and are now backfilling this anxiety with a bunch of dreadful stereotypes about culture and welfare, and narrowing their intellectual and political contribution to two caricatures (Sharpton and post-civil rights Jackson) that you only learned about from like-minded commentators.

 

Say it with me again, the best predictor of someone's success can be boiled down to how much wealth their family has.

So 50 years ago does very much play a role today. Wealth gets passed down incrementally.