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Planned Parenthood Director caught on tape selling aborted baby parts

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Commodore, Jul 14, 2015.

  1. Amiga

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    1- There is no child to be killed. You will never understand that POV if you don't even acknowledge it's existence. Very mind limited.

    2- Pro-lifers not caring about adoption to reduce abortion rate? Are pro-lifer even pro-lifer when many of them restrict adoption to traditional couple? Weird how life suddenly isn't that important when facing that "choice".

    Pro-choice care about adoption, but it's not to the level that pro-lifer should in general since one group is adamant that life is being killed and the other group is not. Unless pro-lifer isn't really about pro-life.

    3- We are talking in generality. As a general group, that's what happening. Pro-lifers support policies that will make thing worse. Even you wanting to shut down PP will immediately make thing worse for women and increases the changes of unwanted pregnancies, but you won't acknowledge that consequences.

    And when it comes to abortion topic, it SHOULD never be "easy". It's very personal and very hard decision for any women and family.
     
  2. GladiatoRowdy

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    I am for some things that would fall under the heading "gun control," like universal background checks and mental health screenings, and training requirements (which are supported by a large majority of Americans), but completely against banning guns altogether.

    I am a gun owner myself and fully support the right of law-abiding, sane individuals to own firearms.
     
  3. GladiatoRowdy

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    It doesn't have to be identical, but you're comparing apples (illegal actions with clearly defined infringements on the rights of a living, breathing, born person and laws against those actions which are supported by 99.999% of the population) to submarines (the perfectly legal choice given to a woman to decide whether her uterus will be used to bring a fetus to term and bear it, a choice supported by the majority of the country).

    Such a comparison is beyond misleading, it is just plain dishonest.
     
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  4. GladiatoRowdy

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    Removing funding from Planned Parenthood would increase unwanted pregnancies, which are the entire reason abortion exists.

    Data have been presented which show that nations with restrictive abortion laws have higher levels of abortion. As such, banning abortion is likely to have the opposite of your intended effect, especially since RU-486 would be a simple replacement for in-office abortions and would be exactly as easy to control as mar1juana, cocaine, or heroin.

    You directly support policies which would increase unwanted pregnancies AND abortions.
     
  5. GladiatoRowdy

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    If you actually believe this garbage, your delusion knows no bounds.
     
  6. GladiatoRowdy

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    Newborns, toddlers, kids and teens are perfectly able to live "outside the womb."

    You're the one who added the idiotic "without dependency on others."

    You're giddelusional with regards to abortion.
     
  7. g1184

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    A claim for which you have no proof.
     
  8. Dubious

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    If something is not conscious, can it be "killed"?
     
  9. Nook

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    His understanding of Christianity, history and Jesus Christ is all but non-existant. If he doesn't understand the faith he has chosen; you cannot possibly expect him to answer the question presented.
     
  10. Outlier

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    You have certainly proven you do. I'm not sure I've met an online poster who's acted so smug and obnoxious before. But again, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Internet is a whole different animal compared to real life. You're probably okay in real life.
     
  11. Nook

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    Well now you know how everyone else feels.... I hope the irony isn't lost on you. If you are going to be smug, arrogant or self righteous; at a minimum know your subject matter well.
     
  12. StupidMoniker

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    Should a woman's "right to choose" be predicated on a background check, mental health screening and training? Seems like when things like mandatory education about what an abortion actually entails, sonogram, etc. are proposed the pro-choice crowd universally opposes it. Why would a right specifically enshrined in the Bill of Rights enjoy less protection than one found in the penumbras of the other Amendments?

    How about waiting periods? In favor of those for guns only, abortions only, both or neither? How about parental consent for minors?
     
  13. GladiatoRowdy

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    I'm perfectly OK with reasonable restrictions on abortion, such as bans on late term abortions carried out when the fetus is viable and there isn't a danger to the woman. I'm also OK with education requirements, so long as a trans-vaginal ultrasound isn't part of the "education." I'm also OK with reasonable waiting periods and do think that minors should have to get parental consent.

    Sadly, the pro-gun crowd doesn't appear to be willing to allow any restrictions at all. That's the difference between liberals and conservatives, at least the most visible one. Liberals tend to understand that cooperation and compromise are important and necessary aspects of our political system. Conservatives these days aren't willing to give an inch on any of their ideological, partisan positions.
     
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    Federal judge blocks Bobby Jindal's Planned Parenthood defunding
    http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/10/bobby_jindal_planned_parenthoo_5.html

    U.S. District Judge John W. deGravelles, in a blistering opinion, issued the temporary restraining order late Sunday, which takes effect Monday (Oct. 19) and remains in place for at least two weeks. The decision sets up the possibility of a permanent restraining order, which would bar the Department of Health and Hospitals from stripping Planned Parenthood of funding over the long term.
     
  15. g1184

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    Trees
     
  16. Commodore

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Texas eliminates funding to Planned Parenthood <a href="http://t.co/23kjpEKoCA">http://t.co/23kjpEKoCA</a> <a href="http://t.co/28yRhia9tK">pic.twitter.com/28yRhia9tK</a></p>&mdash; TIME.com (@TIME) <a href="https://twitter.com/TIME/status/656154359361896448">October 19, 2015</a></blockquote>
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  17. mc mark

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    ^^^Once again Texas shows itself to be the laughing stock of the country.
     
  18. geeimsobored

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    Never mind that it isn't constitutional but when has that stopped Texas from wasting taxpayer money on lawsuits that they'll lose.
     
  19. g1184

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    Constitution only matters for 2nd amendment, everybody knows that moran.
     
  20. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I hope they get sued so badly.
     

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