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Planned Parenthood Director caught on tape selling aborted baby parts

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Commodore, Jul 14, 2015.

  1. Northside Storm

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    I haven't outlawed adoption, and neither have Western European governments with lower abortion rates and liberal abortion laws.

    What policy do you propose to increase adoptions to fill in the gap here?

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    I can think of a set of policies involving contraceptives, scientific research, maternal welfare initiatives that you should be putting your money into if you want to reduce the abortion rate rather than just talking about it (and yeah, PP happens to be on the leading edge of that).
     
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  2. Amiga

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    LOL, easy for you to said that.

    Why would a woman want to have a baby just so the baby is adopted?

    But if it's that, work on improving adoption. Allow everyone, including same sex couples to adopt. Make the process easier and less expensive. Educate woman that's another choice. Those are all things worthwhile and can help, even if a little bit.

    Beating your head to against a wall to make abortion illegal and supporting policies to increase unwanted pregnancies isn't going to do anything but just going to make it worse.
     
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    http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/fertility-matters_the-secret-of-switzerland-s-low-abortion-rate/33585760

    put your money into supporting women and mothers if you want to reduce the abortion rate not jailing them and medical practioners. point final.
     
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    I do not. An amoeba is a living creature. It is a single cell organism. Tons of bacteria. I don't know where you got the idea that a single cell cannot be a living creature, but it sure was not from science.
    The morning after pill (aka Plan-B) is technically not an abortifacient. Regardless, I oppose it as one of the processes by which it can operate is murderous, and there is no way to determine which of its effects is being used.
    In the same way that stabbing a five year old is the same thing as blowing up a 30 year old, yes. They are different processes used against people of different ages and with different abilities to care for themselves that have the same outcome.
    From the person whose argument is based on the denial of single cell life forms.
     
  7. giddyup

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    If you hand-wave young lives away, I'm certainly allowed to hand-wave away some crock of an Internet Law...

    Why is it a false equivalency? Oh, using sub-humans for human research; I get it!
     
  8. giddyup

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    1. To avoid having to kill the child? That was easy.

    2. Do I have to do everything? I would assume that those wanting to adopt are working on that. How about tasking that to pro-choicers since, in their hearts, they really revile abortion.

    3. What policy have I ever supported that increases unwanted pregnancies? All "my" policies keep them at their current level or decrease them.
     
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    I'm not hand waving away young lives. I'm scraping them into useful tools!

    Viable and capable of living outside the womb vs. not? Is it really that hard?
     
  10. giddyup

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    Well, you didn't even mention adoption in your initial response; my question was tongue-in-cheek to prod you into including it as part of the solution. That is a telling detail, I think.

    The best policy would seem to be available birth control and birth control education and less cumbersome adoption processes. I know several families who have adopted and their story is that it is easier to get a baby from Africa than from Tennessee. Something is wrong there. Another friend got his girls from Eastern Europe and still another from Germany.

    Talking about it is the first thing that needs to be done.
     
  11. giddyup

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    Set a newborn in a crib and leave it unattended. How long will it survive? Dependency on others does not end once one leaves the womb.
     
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    Which can draw a breath? Which can perform basic biological functions unassisted?
     
  14. mclawson

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    Not in today's America. They're part and parcel. It's hypocritical do I'm honestly shocked you're not on board. ;)

    In all seriousness it's nice that you're in board with more contraception and education, but surely you must know that most that hold your opinion on abortion don't feel the same.
     
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    https://www.google.com/webhp?source...ny families want to adopt in the us each year

    Pick your own source. I scanned through several of them and most indicate that there are plenty of parents wanting to adopt. One source, albeit CATHOLIC, claimed that there were 36 parents waiting to adopt for every child adopted.

    Obviously we have to liberalize the adoption laws but I fear that the bottleneck there goes hand in hand with the pro-Choice initiative.
     
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    Yes a newborn that can breathe. In very short order it will have no waste with no food intake. You get the idea... dependence extends way beyond the birth canal.. for years.

    NOTE: I'm out of here for awhile. Gotta make lunch for my surviving kids and then go sell pumpkins for a few hours....
     
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    So can one assume you're staunchly opposed to the 2nd amendment as well?
     
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    Can a 22 week old fetus breathe? No food intake kills anyone so that's not valid the way you phrased it.
     
  19. Codman

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    The narcissism here is ridiculous.

    As a man, I'm never going to speak or act as though I know what's "better" for any woman's body.

    You lost well before the prison reference and the creation of this thread.

    You lost yourself from the moment where you thought limiting a woman's choice was appropriate.

    Let us know when you lose your complex and come down from whichever self-righteous drug you've ingested.

    Women, all around, thank you in advance.
     
  20. Codman

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    Don't make sick, twisted jokes when you were part of the societal problem to begin with.
     

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