Planned Parenthood Director caught on tape selling aborted baby parts

giddy...the mask is off. You're vehemently against abortion. And that's your beef with PP. Fair enough.

Can we go with the results of the numerous reviews then on the whole selling baby parts scandal? That there's nothing here either -- other than your perception of the callous attitude of the practitioners?

 

The mask is off anyone who supports abortion or are "pro-choice". Which means you are pro ending human life.

Worse than that is the person who is in any way defending the practice of selling human tissue that you had to kill before you could sell it.

 

That PP might be reeling in the bucks was never my main focus. I was just glad for the heat. That PP responded to the criticism by saying that they would no longer take payment is very interesting.

I'm all FOR what PP is about up unto their advocacy of abortion.

 

Since everyone is so dad gum fine asking me for evidence, let me ask you: are any or all of these images not legitimate?

Pretty sure those ones with dismemberment and decapitation are not miscarriages. Why can't they be late term abortions after viability?

Why would it matter to you?

 

The onus to explain the material is generally on the person who submits the material in the first place. You cannot post graphic images, admit that you know nothing about them and then challenge others to determine if they are legitimate or not. That is a very shady way to debate a topic. And you have clearly stated that the legitimacy of the images is irrelevant to you.

 

I think turnabout is fair play. If they think it is important, prove to me that it is what they think it needs to be to be valid. It's not a point of debate; it was an afterthought-- the 544th post.

 

Life's whole mission is to seek and destroy. Nothing that has ever lived will escape death.

And sentient is more about being conscious. Consider the hair split. Still don't think it applies. You just hand-wave all the time. It's pretty funny and slightly sad.

 

You calling someone out for not answering a question is rich. You ignore them all the time. "And in response to one of your other posts, we can make humans via nuclear transfer. No sperm is required. We've done it with lots of animals already. Would a baby born via this method not be a sacred life?"

You didn't answer my question even though you replied to that very post. How typically hypocritical!

 

Since we're having the debate, it is, by definition, debatable. And your fish example is disingenuous and you know it. The fish isn't attached to another fish in the water and dependent upon that fish for life support. Nice try though? I guess?

All human life ends. Nobody gets out of life alive. Kill them all and let GAWD sort them out. Praise Jebus.

 

Yes there is nothing random in the Universe, if you had the ability to see every action and reaction. (anything sufficiently complex appears to be magic) But other than following the path of the physics, there is no plan, because no conscious entity is envisioning it or influencing it.

Any human designation is arbitrary by the subjective values that have to be assigned. No consensus decision by a group perfectly aligns with one individual's valuation. That's why we have democracy and a judicial system.
We have to live and cooperate with others, so we have to decide agreed values.
For most scientist and judiciary, the 22-24 week designation is accepted.

 

God is fine with murdering babies. Why aren't Christians?

 

Of course, perhaps the most idiotic post in this thread so far.

 

After reading through all of this, with no compromise possible, I still don't understand how anyone is labeled "pro-abortion."

Nobody is pro-abortion. It's not like people think it's a glorious event.

I despise it when people claim pro-choice=pro-abortion.

It's completely inaccurate.

Those of us who believe in the right to choose are not advocating for abortions. We're advocating simply for the right to choose.

It's the tired shtick of many in the Republican party to portray those who support choice in a negative light.

I mean, I like wordplay, but leave it up to the rappers. Save me with the garbage that I am celebrating abortions like they're forgettable. The usual suspects in this thread who like using that gimmick should be ashamed of themselves.

 

How old are you? You act like an impertinent young person. I've been asking questions for days, weeks, years about the sanctity of human life and they've gone ignored, I think, because they are too painful to answer.

You ask one question-- very technical and about something which i, and virtually everyone here, know nothing about-- and your panties are in a wad because I didn't answer it. Pause to catch your breath.

Suffice to say that I don't think any human engineering can match the ingenuity of nature-- all of it arising naturally across the globe without our assistance. You go, bad girl, and be a 22nd Century Marvel; I'll opt for a different pace and direction.

Your destructive reduction of the life experience and your penchant for being judgmental does not make you popular at parties, I bet.

 

Why?? Please elaborate? God has killed thousands of babies and I'm not referring to disease and genetic disorders, but rather EXPLICITLY killing babies. The Christian excuse is: "But God did it and God sent them to heaven..." or whatever. So is that implying that if a human kills a baby, the baby goes to hell? Otherwise I don't think the baby really cares whether God or a mere human killed him or her.

I'm just exposing religious cognitive dissonance. If that's stupid for you than so be it. It's not called 'cognitive dissonance' for no reason.

 

Why don't we make all assault pro-Choice-- even if it reaches the level of fatality? If someone murders my friend's son, I have no problem in my heart with him exacting revenge and killing the SOB that did that to his son. If someone rapes your daughter and leaves her in a coma, I have no problem with your putting an ax through that monster's skull.

How would those laws work for society?

The Choice label is a false flag. You have to ultimately face the reality of what the choice has enabled. You are tied to that outcome if you promote a pro-Choice position that allows such destruction. It is disingenuous to not accept the complete responsibility of what your tolerance has set in motion.

I'm perfectly willing to accept what my intolerance of abortion sets in motion because it is calamitous for that young child. I don't care that the mother has had a choice taken away from her. I prefer to think of happy adoptive parents who will welcome and love that child that others want to dispose of.

We all have many choices taken away from us every day by our body of laws-- exacting revenge on rapists and murderers for example. It's a lie to make this deprivation of the right of choice is the end of everything. The abortion is the end of everything for that child who dies.

 

False choice fallacy.

Assault and murder are recognized by 99.999% of people as one person interfering with the rights of another person.

Abortion isn't the same. While it is your opinion that abortion is murder, a large percentage of Americans' opinions are different than yours on this issue. That's why we have legislation and the court system, to set the rules and judge whether these rules align with the supreme law of the land.

Your argument will be much more valid when your opinion is shared by 95% or so of the country.

They wouldn't, you know it, and suggesting such an analogy is asinine.

I am fully aware of the reality and I am thrilled that women don't have to bow to your personal moral view when they don't share your opinions on abortion.

Abortion is only "destruction" in your opinion.

Women are happy to take complete responsibility, they do so every day. They have the choice and are fully responsible and aware of what their choices ultimately mean.

It isn't a "child" in the mind of the woman making the choice and you don't have the right to make that choice for anyone but yourself.

I know, that is the most disturbing part of your viewpoint. You just wouldn't care that government would extend itself into the uteri of a hundred and sixty million women based on your opinions and moral code.

And I prefer to think about tens of millions of women who don't need you to enforce your moral code on them. You don't have the right.

Again, laws that are supported by near unanimous opinion as opposed to that of far less than half of the country.

Yes, it is a lie, why are you throwing out such a stupid strawman? Nobody is claiming that removing choice would be the "end of everything," in any way. However, it would be removing choices from women based on the moral code of a small minority of people who don't have the right to make those choices for others.

Not your child, not your uterus, not your choice.

 

I'm in my 40s, thanks for asking! I think it's hilarious how you think my "panties are in a wad" (who still says that?) since I'm over here laughing at you. My breath is considerably caught sir, I can assure you! From what I've deduced in this thread, you know little to nothing about science (polio vaccines, rubella vaccines, stem cells, etc.). It's what my degree is in, but your ignorance is stunning at times. It's fine to be ignorant, but you seem preternaturally proud of yours, which is a bit odd. Also, scientific ingenuity is a product of nature since we are products of nature. We also co-opt many of nature's tools for our own purposes, but you wouldn't know anything about, I guess?

I also laugh heartily at your hypocrisy! JUDGEMENTAL! How dare I judge you for judging people for hundreds of posts! The nerve! You've literally judged people for years in this thread and others but have the audacity to say I'm judgmental? I think you're simply...mental!

And yes, in my circle of friends, I'm quite the life of the party. I have jokes, a good sense of humor that is dark at times and corny at others. I'm complex and not a one-trick pony! How well do your mangled fetus pictures go over at cocktail parties? I can picture you sipping on a poorly made Manhattan or perhaps Moscow Mule, whipping out your phone and showing anyone who will look lovely images of material you don't even know the source for. I'll bet people flock to you to see those images while gracefully eating caviar, complete with extended pinky, and bemoaning the plight of those cells. Does your hypocrisy know no bounds, good sir? I think not!

 

If the pictures are from "otherwise" then it doesn't reveal the "true nature and consequence" of legal abortion at all. The reason the distinction is important is because there are specific rules on what is legal. And CHOICE is within the legal limits. So if the images are from outside those legal limits, then they are irrelevant and distracting.

 

Bush league. Really destroys any credibility you have on what is actually a very controversial and complicated topic.