Why are there hardly any good White American NBA players?

You've made 0 sense in all your recent posts in this thread.

 

This is the most logical, factful and analytic post I have ever seen you posted.

That really means a lots.

 

Ok, so you agree with me then that your posts in here don't make any sense.

 

You really should not skip classes when you were in the college.

 

You still don't make any sense.

 

Don't get mad. I never personally insulted you or your IQ. I realize talking about sports has little to do with one's IQ. I did say though that your posts are making 0 sense, especially this one below.

Still managed to win 18 games? What? Yes, 18 games in the NBA. You bring it up as if they are also playing the Euroleague.

Except I didn't say the sky is falling. I said they do not dominate any more.

Lets understand something here. Two things contributed to the USA's dominance of international play.

1.) They started to send pros
2.) The break up of the Soviet Union and Yugioslavia

These two things helped make the period of USA dominance easier. It didn't hurt that Michael Jordan was in his prime during the 90s of course.

Any ways, you said that USA dominates and I'm sorry but they have not. They have had some close games when they met Spain and again LOST to Argentina and Greece. This is not saying the sky is falling, USA is still the best country but I can show you a slew of quotes from Kobe and the likes where even the players think there is no domination going on.

Again, last Fiba tourney with Curry and Harden team they did dominate and even beat up on Serbia pretty well. I'd say though that Serbia team was a pretty bad matchup for them but moving on.

This is a ridiculous statement. Do you know who the key players are? Lets go down the list shall we.

#2 Spain
Pau Gasol - Ummm...yeah..
Mirotic - Likely a future core player for the Bulls, the guy can play in the NBA
Marc Gasol - Again...yeah, according to you a scrub too.

#3 Lithuania
Motiejunas - Rockets Starter
Valicunas - Core player for Toronto

#4 Argentina
Luis Scola - Past his years, but was a leader for the Rockets for many years.
The other players all played roles in the league. Now, I'll give you this with Argentina, they had a golden age of basketball and it'll be interesting to see if they will remain a power moving forward. But of course Manu was a star in the league...not a scrub. The other players Delfino, Nocioni and etc have played in the league and played important minutes. They were far from 'Scrubs'

#5 France
We just won't talk about France since a lot of their players are of african descent. They lost to Spain though in European competition. Before you get all excited and say "SEE!" understand that France lost to Spain.

Any ways you can go down the list man. From Gortat to Dragic, those teams key players DO play in the NBA and some of them are team leaders.

Says the guy that thinks Tony Parker has no shot at making the Hall Of Fame...

 

Let me make sure you understand some very simple points.

1. If you consider what I said was insult, well consider this when you are saying other people points making zero sense without any facts to support yourself or just because you just failed to accepting the facts, that's also insult too.

2. Anyway, in case you still want to argue about the dominance of the US basketball in the international competition, here is the link you can check,
http://archive.usab.com/bios/krzyzewski_mike.html
This is the coaching records for coach K in us basketball team since 1979, his record is 125-7.

6 of those losses happened before 1992, well we all know what happened.

The other one loss happened in 2006, almost 10 years ago.

So, if you want to keep arguing on this, I suggest you find another major sports team, even just a pro team, that has similar record like this in the last 30 years. Until then, maybe clam yourself down and think for a while could help.

3. As for players comparison, as I said, in "most" international teams, most of those key players are scrubs. I firmly standby by point and you just proved it also, with all those teams in the world, there are only 5 players you can think of worthy of comparison?

And sure, one guy is a definite NBA all star and probably will make this US team roster, but the other 4 guys? They won't even get an invite to the camp, let alone to make the team, oh then the rest of the starters on the other teams? Like Francisco Garcia dropping 30 points really will matter? Like Andray Blatche playing like MJ in the Philippine team will actually help him to get an NBA job?

Seriously, please stop trying to be cute just for the sake of arguing and keep posting pointless, and totally imagined stuff without any facts to support your points.

 

Australia has 10 NBA players from a population of 25 million. That in itself is a relatively high number especially given the population of the US and Europe, especially as basketball is probably the 5th or 6th most popular sport in Australia.
That's not a race or color thing, so how is that explained - or is it completely irrelevant?

 

Well, you made 0 sense man. We were talking about international play and you brought up the 6ers..

Also yes...

...that is an insult. Just own up to it lol.

I'm not the one flinging insults around, it seems you need to calm down a bit.

It's too bad we are not talking about the record of Coach K though. It was a good attempt but it doesn't change anything I said.

Lol no, not only 5. I just didn't want to waste my time listing players off of every international team and won't. Bogut, Vucevic, Dirk? C'mon now.

Seriously, please stop trying to be cute just for the sake of arguing and keep posting pointless, and totally imagined stuff without any facts to support your points...

 

When we get a GREAT white player, he's always been a smart player, highly skillful and a great shooter. But lacks..let's call it grace when it comes to athletic ability.

Will we ever get a non black athletic megastar like a Wilt(the best athlete ever IMO), Russel(track and field), Dr J, Jordan, Shaq, LeBron and countless more?

It's hard to fathom a non black player coming into the league and making a highlight mix like this for example:

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I think its a cultural thing to be quite honest .... having kids in the developmental age group and living in a multi-cultural location , I don't see much interest from white kids in playing basketball while the black ones live on the court.
It was much the same when I was in that developmental age group , I was the only white kid on the court .... my white friends were off doing .... anything else.

I watch every Rockets game , my kids don't even know who Harden & Howard are ....

 

There have been some really athletic white basketball players, David Lee or Joe Alexander come to mind. It's just really rare that anyone puts that together with a relentless work ethic like most of the guys you mentioned (Shaq being the exception, he was just huge).

 

FWIW , world class high jumping,

Top 25 ranked jumpers DOMINATED by WHITE guys and lighter skin guys.
www.all-athletics.com/current-rankings?evtg=12

Mostly from Euro/Russian nations. The top jumper from Canada looks like Prince William. Even one of the best US jumpers is a 6ft tall guy looking like JJ Watt's skinny cousin.

If blacks have a genetic advantage at jumping higher, then itd be African and blacks from all countries in the rankings same way theyre in the sprints rankings.

How it translates onto the basketball court is another thing. But it obviously shows that whites CAN indeed and DO jump high.

 

I don't think the issue is whether they can or not, but how they do it compared to top black athletes. Are they beating out all the black athletes or are black athletes just not really interested in this event?

 

from that link the number 1 ranked high jumper in the world is a black man? and the world record holder in the high jump is a black man? not sure what it means but ionno. i don't really follow the high jump.

 

If more Mexican Americans are de facto segregated into yet another underclass, it'll be interesting to see how many athletic prodigies come out of that crop in terms of nba caliber skills.

 

Theorizing: Perhaps its with jumping ability alone, there isnt much variance between ethnicities. But then add everything ELSE to it, then blacks are more all-around athletes.

Like with the long jump and triple jump, blacks are majority best again. Because when adding straight sprinter SPEED and explosive burst, it probably helps with horizontal distance jumping instead of vertical. (Maybe like: blacks and everyone can dunk high up close. But dunking from out the paint and free throw line, blacks might do better)

Why would blacks care about long jump and triple jump but not high jump though? Its not like its difference between 200m and mile run.

But then, there are examples of possible lack of interest by ethnicties. Volleyball is mostly white, AND its shows whites that can really JUMP. And events like triathlon and Ironman competitions, image is usually of a white athlete. Would blacks be even better? Dont know cuz of lack of black interest.

 

I dont follow either. Its not about what single person is the best though, its how much a group can get it done in the highest ranks. Example: A white guy can have the highest vertical jump in NBA combine. But he'd be considered an outlier, not representative of the whole race (Like Yi Jianlian or Joe Alexander, they were exceptions not the rule)

Meaning a black guy can have highest vert but it doesnt mean blacks dominate or that whites arent capable. (Just trying to help a white athlete out here )

 

If it were true and can be proven as truth that blacks are athletically superior...It still doesn't answer the question.

Because you don't have to be uber athletic to be a good NBA player. Some of the all-time greats are not. They are super skilled though.

Dribbling a ball, a finesse post game, your jump shot, passing ability, etc etc...you can still dominate without being the fastest or jumping the highest.

Yeah people can name Lebron and Jordan but there are still guys like Duncan, Curry, Pau, Dirk, even our own James Harden. Derozan is probably the better athlete than James but whose taking him over Harden?

So that still doesn't answer the question for me. Although I don't think it's true that black people have a advantage. Basketball is a game mostly reliant on skill. Hell, remember Charles Barkley was out of shape for most of his career and is one of the best PFs to ever play the game.

 

Maybe it's the matter of money, training, potential endorsements, general school reception to the sport and by his peers.

Our worship of sports makes it a tangible career path for the poor.

"Johnny high jumped 7 feet today...

You mean he touched the backboard?

Nah he jumped over a pole back first.

They give scholarships for that?

Let's see him do that with a basketball...