Yeah, well... The end always paints the opinion moving forward. With Schaub, it's so bad, people lump him in with all the other sub-mediocre QBs this franchise has employed. Meanwhile, they'd all sell a newborn to have a QB right now as productive as Schaub was...
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Oh, joy! Our defense can get throttled by yet another backup QB that they should supposedly be able to take advantage of.
Okay, even if I accept your premise that Mario wasn't the right pick for the Texans, which I don't by the way, who would you have had them picking....even with the ability to look back on it years later? Reggie Bush? Vince Young? Matt Leinart?
Trade back and you could have gotten MACK and Bidgewater/Carr/etc None of those was probably the pick. The thing is . . . . .They move back and could have gotten someone else and picks Though I did like them all . . .well not Leinart. Rocket River
Yeah that's not really a plan though, that's punting on 3rd down because it's a tough call as to what play to run. Mario was hands down the right call, and time will tell if Clowney was the right call, but it looks at least decent right now.
I'll just say this in response to ^: 2006 QB Draft Class: Vince Young Matt Leinart Jay Cutler Kellen Clemens Tarvaris Jackson Charlie Whitehurst Brodie Croyle Ingle Martin Omar Jacobs Bruce Gradkowski DJ Shockley Off all those drafted QBs, Jay Cutler is the best of the bunch. He's always rated in the bottom 10th in the league among QBs. Never posting a higher QB Rating than 89, and has thrown 189 TDs to 133 INT for his career. Definition of mediocre. He currently sits 9 spots behind Brian Hoyer as ranked QBs in the league for this year. As far as the 2014 Draft, I'll only list the top 4 because they are the most relevant to the conversation. Blake Bortles - 87.2 QB Rating - 10 TDs to 4 INT - 21st Ranked QB (Improved from his 69.5 in 2014) Teddy Bridgewater - 84.5 QB Rating - 2 TDS to 2 INT - 23rd Ranked QB Johnny Manziel - 99.1 QB Rating - 3 TDS to 1 INT - Unranked Due to Limited Snaps Derek Carr - 93.9 QB Rating - 8 TDs to 3 INT - 15th Ranked QB The only guy I would legitimately have wanted the Texans to take was Carr, of which they could have had. I think they passed due to the family history, especially the sour grapes his father left with Houston. I would have personally taken him, but it might not have been well received by the most basic fan base. Brotles looks to have the same trajectory as Blaine Gabbert. Very poor rookie season and a 2nd year showing progression. He still makes a ton of the same mistakes as his rookie year. He hasn't shown me anything to dissuade me from believing he'll be a bellow avg QB. Teddy is finally coming down to earth I feel. I think he'll be a avg to bellow avg QB, in the likes of Alex Smith. You can win games with him at QB, but I don't think he'll be the reason to put you over the top. Carr seems to be showing he may just be that franchise QB. Everything I see from him I like. He needs to quickin his reads so he doesn't hold the ball as long as he does, but man he looks good. There isn't enough tape on Manziel, and I completely throw out anything from last year. I want to see what sober Johnny can do. He remains to be seen. See me at the end of the 2016 season and we'll discuss who they should have taken in the first, but as of now I'm still leaning Clowney. Carr was a 2nd round QB from the beginning and that's where he went. Now I do agree that the Texans made a mistake in not drafting him. Maybe Bridgewater ( just don't see it with him like some people do). They could have had their cake and ate it too. We'll have to see how this works out in a year or two. But I do say this, If the Texans wind up with Goff, That would write off any mistake in drafting a QB in 2014.
Considering I answered within 5 minutes of the question and I am not paid millions of dollars to look over the tapes and assess not only the team and the players available .. . . . . . .. . The fact that my answer is probably as good as what happened is pretty remarkable Rocket River
For perspective; Mallet - 63.6 QB Rating, 3 TDs to 4 INT, 35th ranked QB. Hoyer - 96.8 QB Rating - 5 TDs to 2 INT, 13th ranked QB. I'm not saying Hoyer is the Texans future, but he is better than guys people on here are clamoring for at this point in the season. Whether that remains to be true once he starts consecutive games is unknown, but these 2nd year QBs other than Carr aren't worth salivating for like some people on here are doing.
Mallets stats are hilarious every time I see them. Wtf was BOB thinking? He had seen him for years in practice and training camp.
Exactly. It takes a very desperate team to want to spend that much on moving into the #1 spot. Hell, Washington traded their 1st and 2nd rounds picks in 2012, plus the 1st rounders in 13 and 14 just to move into the 2nd spot of that years draft. It's take the right year and desperation for you to really move out of the 1st pick.
And if the goal was to trade back and take Mack, he went #5 so there were only a few teams you could've traded with. If you only want to trade down a couple of spots, there's no guarantee that the teams immediately behind you are willing trade partners.
What's really sad is I was looking at Schaub's stats from 08-12 and it made me really depressed. Ranked somewhere in the top 10 of all NFL qbs every year. 5 ****ing years wasted of a highly productive QB.
Did I say that? I simply stated it was wasted. Of which it was. Only in 11 and 12 did they make the playoffs, and the only reason they made it out of the first round was because they played Cinci back to back. If they would have played any other team, first round exit would have been a guarantee. 08-10 all had terrible defenses. 11-13 had top 10 ranked defenses, 11 even ranked 2nd in the league. But when it was nut cutting time, they failed and by a wide margin.
Schaub was good to great early on, but he wasn't elevating the team past its weaknesses. It still took Arian turning into an overnight allpro to fix the redzone problems we had seen for 2 years straight. It still took Wade and a big time FA CB/S to turn the defense into a top 10 unit. We still had horrible special teams and a horrible ST coach. This still was a team that for whatever reason could never bring it on prime time games. But this is all stuff that we've ranted about for years passed. I think most of us could agree that 2011 Schaub had a good chance of rewriting this team's legacy if he had played in the postseason. Haynesworth deserves a special spot in football hell.
How do you blame Schaub for the defense and special teams? But yes Foster pushed the Andre-Schaub offense into elite status. And we had good TEs too. But that just goes to show how much talent you need to win in the NFL. BOB relying on Foster to fix everything is pathetic.
So, 2 out of 5 years they make the playoffs and win a game... but it doesn't count because of who they played? (let alone a team that could win the SB this year). Its funny how people decide to nitpick at "context" when trying to short-change the accomplishments... but then decide to throw context completely out the window when judging the franchise as a whole (especially people who still complain about this franchise being bad in the early years... as if any expansion franchise under these rules is expected to get good right away). Even within your post... you look at context in terms of the defense... then completely ignore that they won a playoff game with a 3rd string QB and probably end up beating the Ravens with better QB play.
