What's he going to tell the judge? He just wanted his jal' mac n cheese? Umm...? I assume he was drunk and is one of those obnoxious drunks. I think we've all seen those or been one of those possibly at one time or another in our lives (yea...a wave of flash back memories just hit me).
The manager has a job to do, and it's not his responsibility to pander to a kid who is breaking several rules/laws. Others have argued (and I agree) that the manager not physically retaliating is supererogatory in and of itself.
And no one ever drinks and becomes a different person than they usually are? Point is, even an entitled brat isn't going to take things this far. Clearly, the difference here is the kid was drunk. That's irrelevant to what is happening at the moment. It's very unlikely anyone knew that beforehand. If he hasn't learned a lesson, then obviously there will be more consequences to face. i'm not sure why people think they couldn't have given in a little to calm things down AND still bust him for drinking. That's the best case scenario and it was an option for them. I don't get the comparison to parenting. It's a public and crowded setting, involving people that likely hardly know each other, if at all, and likely don't know the kid...I'd say safety overrides looking for respect from anyone there. But if i did have kids i'd be looking out for their safety and the safety of other innocent kids around them, over teaching some punk kid a lesson, who's clearly not in a state to even understand he's being taught a lesson. Is that not good parenting? And the kid did push him around like that. A few times, even. So, how did that turn out for him? It's not really a situation one should be getting into, nearly beating up a drunk kid. That brings respect? It's a public and crowded setting, involving people that hardly know each other and likely don't know the kid...I'd say safety overides looking for respect from anyone there. I'm surprised it's seen that way, especially in the world we live in nowadays. Once you confront someone like this, the best outcome is that they can actually hold themselves back. The kid was fighting that self control a few times. This finished a notch below best outcome, given how they handled it. That's risky. How would this thread have gone, if the kid knocked out the woman with a sucker punch or pulled out a knife? Used the knife on someone? Or what if in their struggle to subdue him, he bangs his head enough to severely injure him? Sure, he's a drunk *******, but does he deserve that over asking for macaroni and cheese, while drunk? These people are trained for a physical confrontation like that. There's no good reason to take it to a point, where that's necessary. If the kid had randomly gone right after people or something, then by all means, take him down.
If he keeps it up, then you can be more aggressive with him and take it in the direction they did..but at least try to avoid that first. You can't be sure he was telling the truth, but you're also not sure he's lying. Drunks can be weird. this is what i'm referring to...because he seems like some little kid, they thought they could confront him and deal with him. There's no way they would have done it if he was a big kid or grown man. On paper it makes sense, but again, what if he had a weapon? did you notice he had his hands in his pockets? what if was stronger than he appeared or had some kind of training? Even in a drunken state, that's enough to injure someone. Also, watch how the manager speaks to him at the start. There was no de-escalating anything because they didn't try it. The manager was talking down to him from the beginning. I'm not saying he deserves respect. He doesn't, but the situation deserved more care than that.
They had no choice but to kick him out, if word gets around that this guy saw an underage drunk kid drinking a beer on his shift and he didn't kick him out, he's fired. What the drunk kid wants is irrelevant, he's not in a position to negotiate while he's breaking the rules of the facility while also breaking the law. Most people will be smart enough to leave before the cops get there even if they are drunk.....the rest probably need to get taken to jail.
He can be fired for putting his hands on him, as well. You don't know what their policy is in regards to that. He did a good job of not touching him for most of the clip, but once they took him down, you could see a little anger come out, when he pinned his neck/head to the floor. That just goes to show what emotions can come out, when a situation is no longer under control. If his job has zero tolerance for him putting his hands on others, he's gone. Prolonging the situation and not calming things down will have cost him his job. He wouldn't have been the one asking to negotiate, so you're not giving in to him, from his point of view. Others start the negotiation, in exchange for a fast resolution. It's no different than cops negotiating with a criminal for safety reasons, even though, they too, are in the process of or did break the law.
There's the problem - you haven't encountered real entitled brats yet. Hell yeah they would take it this far. Go hang out around SMU on Friday night - go to some fraternity parties and this will seem weak. The kid looks like a victim of "affluenza" -- the product of wealthy, privileged parents who never set limits for the boy. Poor kid.
You give drunk idiots way too much respect. Punk ass kid got what he deserved. The manager deserves an award for his patience. There should be less tolerance for jackassery like this, not more.
A fraternity party is not comparable to a crowded university dining hall. A wealthy brat is at an advantage in one setting and not in the other. This kid didn't realize that because he was drunk, which is the point. You can't compare brats at parties or kids at home to a drunk guy in a public place.
I haven't addressed any achievements, abilities, or qualities that I admire about this drunk kid. I'm not necessarily fighting for his rights and i don't care about his wishes. I just happen to think the safety of innocent people around him is of significant value. To me, the setting changes everything. If you want to confront a drunk on your own, away from others, then that's your choice at your own risk....but in this setting, you can bring any one of those people into it at any given moment. I've seen stuff like this erupt into fights that go from one side of the room to the other. Over tables, counters, etc. And that's assuming no weapon is involved. If the kid pulls out a weapon, good luck getting out the way, there will be a stampede out the door.
I'm not sure what you a getting at. I gave you a location where you can easily find numerous examples of extreme entitlement and the correct time to witness examples of it if you haven't seen it before. What you saw in the video is what happens when they go out into the real world and how they treat people. That's basically the situation in a nutshell. I'm confused as how this thread got to be so many pages.
I really don't think the kid "got what he deserved", honestly he deserved for someone to knock his ass out. He just got thrown to the ground and arrested. Hopefully he'll have that to look forward to his sophomore year.
Just let the kid have his mac and cheese. I hope they suspend the cop. Ive had countless times where I'm digging thru my fridge like a Tasmanian Devil because I'm hungry and drunk. 2 weel old pizza, thanksgiving turkey, squittless... everything goes in my mouth *****.
I can relate to this when I come home drunk at 2am and get stopped like that by my wife. Where were you? I told you I was chillen with jake from state farm
Yeah rv6 & cheke et al are way off base granted, but like everyone else I too hated this kid through the entire video, except I was actually more against the manager (& cook?) at the end for overreacting, unleashing their life rage unrelated to the drunk kid a him. Nah, I want bad things to happen to all parties involved lol.
You can tell the manager didn't want to put his hands on the kid for fear of losing his job due to dumb zero tolerance policies that don't allow you to defend yourself unless it's life or death. The only reason he became physical is because the cook started to and the manager had to help to control the drunk idiot. I understand RV6's position that you can try to appease the belligerent fool to deescalate the situation, but I don't think there was anything wrong with standing your moral ground as it was justified. Plus, there were plenty of people around that would've had the manager's back.
In my scenario I don't see how you are 'accommodating' him when he is going to be promptly arrested while he enjoys his mac and cheese. All I'm saying is give him a false sense of security and entitlement for 3-5 minutes until the police take him off the dining hall's hands. I don't see how that 'rewards' the kid. He is being arrested and thrown in jail still in my scenario. It's not like he is going to think "Oh look, I acted like an ******* and got what I wanted" because getting what you want doesn't really matter if you are placed in handcuffs right after and thrown in the drunk tank and possibly expelled from school.
