Planned Parenthood Director caught on tape selling aborted baby parts

I did; I was not aborted.

Geez, one of your fellow pro-Choice advocates is wishing polio on me and you tell me to grow up... what's wrong with you?

Pray tell, exactly what is NOT grown up about the position I'm arguing for?

Is this just a new version of name-calling because you cannot deal with the issues I raise? Please continue and stick to the subject rather than float over to the ad hominem attacks.

 

You are willing to have them killed... and you're concerned about how those who want them to live value life. Every child has two parents somewhere in this world. If they can't be found and made to do their duty to the life they created, they can offer them up for adoption.... for cash flow, like PP does for abortions.

 

this is one of the many issues that drive me completely away from the republican party. an anti-science, anti-intellectual, talking point-filled cadre of people who's sole motivation in life is to denounce anything deemed "progressive" or, heaven forbid, even "liberal".

PP provides millions of disadvantaged women (mostly minorities) with access to easy and free or cheap healthcare, much of which has nothing to do with abortions. but here we are, pitch-fork mafia bleeding red white and blue, demanding to defund this group lest they STOP THE GOVERNMENT. it's madness. sheer madness that these people exist in 2015. but hey, these are the same folks that believe the mars water discovery is likely a fabricated hoax pushed by liberals in order to threaten their religious beliefs.

**** you couldn't make this stuff up if you binged on oxycotin for a month.

 

Would it make you feel better about it if you viewed abortion as a crime prevention measure?

 

You do know that the polio vaccine was developed using fetal tissue, right?

And of course there are price structures. Storage and shipping costs vary by tissues. Common sense is lost on you. Did the coat hanger scratch out that part of your brain?

 

Also welfare reform!

 

Exactly! I would support a program to not only make abortions free, but to pay mothers 100 bucks or so to have them, those who would kill their kid for $100 shouldn't have them to begin with. Also, maybe a program to pay men $1000 or so to get vasectomies. I think those two programs could go a long way towards tackling the problem of poverty and crime in America.

This is win/win

 

Those videos were edited. As someone who works with video producers and editors - you can change something from a callous attitude to caring by editing.

For example. You can ask someone if they like teddy bears. And they could respond "YES! Of course!"

Then you simply edit it to take a question from a different part of the interview, "Do you like to perform abortions and sell fetal parts for profits" and then put the answer for the first question. It makes it look like the person is really sick and twisted of course.

So you don't even have the full story or evidence and you are judging the situation. Callous attitude - you have no idea. All you have is a bogus video and you are using that. That says a lot about how you judge and how easily it is for conservative crazy groups to manipulate you.

Then you add to it with a bunch of naive statements about money and funding. Money is not spongeable for organizations that run a tight ship. If there is no profit then there is no sponge-ability. Do you get that? You can't move money around if what you get in to do x is the exact same as the cost to x. I mean, it's so obviously simple it's maddening that it's even a question!

 

I looked online and there are six other free healthcare clinics in my county of residence so I'm not buying that PP is the only stop on that line.

I've been pro-Life my whole life. I didn't darken a church door after 12 until I was almost 40 except for perhaps a Christmas Eve service so don't try and pin it on religious zealotry.

If PP would get over their pro-Abortion zealotry they might be able to come out of the shadows and just be the women's health care provider they need be. These video interviews reveal a callous attitude towards innocent life that is despicable-- especially coming out of the mouth of supposed healthcare providers. You cannot edit that into existence.

I am not anti-science. I'm quite comfortable with the idea of the earth being billions of years old and humans as but one life form.

I don't talk to Jesus; I've never heard from him.

Little innocent lives are little innocent lives. Sorry I broke your mold.

 

However you want to spin it you are trading a life certain for a hope for a cure. As far as I know, the need for fetal tissue is waning with other scientific advances.

 

You're misinformed. There is still a great need. The fetal cells are simply better at many things than induced pluripotent stems. They divide faster, for longer, adapt better, and are rejected less. Not to mention it is pretty tough to do studies on fetal development without those cells.

The rubella vaccine alone, which was developed using fetal tissues, prevents 5000 spontaneous abortions every year. How does that square with your beliefs? It seems that you are morally prohibited from getting any vaccine developed via fetal tissue research. No shingles vaccine for you. It would be wrong and send the wrong message.

 

1 Good theory. Is it true? I watched all the videos and saw uninterrupted and unedited conversations. I think I heard that one director hesitant to name her fee for fear it would be too low. We are talking about body parts of dead babies... can you prove a single thing you are asserting?

2. I make two deposits into my checking account totaling $1,000 and buy a $600 television. From which money did the purchase come? You can't tell. That is spongeability. $1500 for an in-clinic abortion according to this PP website.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/abortion/in-clinic-abortion-procedures

 

Here's a CNN article from AUG 2015 that tells a different story. http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/17/health/fetal-tissue-explainer/

You started down this path.... 1,000,000 elective abortions to prevent 5,000 spontaneous abortions.... doesn't seem like a good trade-off.

Violently killing our most innocent lives is enough of a wrong message for me, thank you.

 

And here is an article backing me up. Now factor in the other vaccines in your math, including polio. I have also taken graduate level classes in the genetics of stem cell tech at Indiana University the past two summers. I'm fairly well caught up on the state of research.

 

Hey, it was YOUR math not mine. You tried to float the argument that 5000 spontaneous abortions a year were prevented by fetal tissue research and somehow place more value on those rubella babies lives than the babies who were sacrificed (how many?) to limit the rate of spontaneous abortions due to rubella. I don't think there are a lot of spontaneous abortions due to polio. What other diseases could even out the numbers?

Of course, the great irony is that some of those moms just aborted those babies anyway...

 

Did you read any of the posts before which show that there were inconsistencies. Good editing is supposed to feel uninterrupted. It's been pointed out that the tapes have enough inconsistencies to make them inadmissible and that the original tapes should be released. Why won't they be released - because they will tell a narrative that conservatives don't want to here. This is all just one big lie and you are falling for it.

I thought we were talking about baby-parts. If you charge $100 for something and it costs you $120 to pay to get that something to the buyer - where is the "sponegability"????

 

So what is the lie? Babies are not being killed in the most profitable way? It wonderful to hear about efficiency in baby slaughtering. If this is all so noble, why doesn't PP just donate the parts...

What is this narrative that conservatives don't want to hear? You can't go with babies aren't dying and their parts harvested by heartless people... can i have another glass of wine?

Spongeability only refers to the mixing of monies. That's why we have HSAs and IRAs and 401-Ks because the monies in those accounts are treated differently than those in your checking.

 

So will you refuse to get the vaccines developed via fetal tissues? Are you that dedicated or just all for show? And it's millions of lives saved via polio vaccines. Isn't that a shame?

 

Before you can hold someone's feet to the fire over this, this kind of issue needs greater publicity. I don't think I've had any vaccines since I was in grade school. I don't get flu shots and I've not gotten the Shingles vaccine so maybe I'm not the hypocrite you want me to be.

My father refused fetal cell treatment for his Parkinson's in the late 1990s.

Are elective abortions the only source of fetal cells?

 

Did you get the MMR vaccine as a child? Have your children, if you have any? If you get Parkinson's will you do the same as your father?

They're the main source as miscarriages are hard to plan for. Spare embryos from fertility treatments are another source, but those fall in the same category as abortions, no?