Well you were the one who was posting the over the top statements so I would like to hear your arguments instead of "he's clearly better". But I will give it just 5 minutes no more to throw some "morsels". Augustin : 20.9% playmaking usage Bev: 10.4% (third worst playmaker from all pgs. AST% Bev: 17.1% Aug : 28.6% Better is assist per game (WITH 10 whole minutes less!), Hockey assists, and assist opportunities per game (that means whether the player who he passes makes the shot or not so that doesn't account for teammates who shoot bricks ) Points created by assists per game Aug: 23.4 Bev: 13.2 Almost Same efg % (Dj's slightly better) on drives with Aug with 2 more drives per game (again in 10 less minutes) . From drives Per 48 Bev: 3.4 pts Aug: 7.7 Bev is better at catch and shoot efg% Now let's the pick and roll ballhandler : Bev 48.2 percentile DJ 68.6 percentile Hand offs: Bev: 11.5 percentile DJ: 87.2 percentile Cuts (Both low freq Bev doesn't even qualify to be included in stats) Offensive Cut offs (Both again very low freq) Transition offense: Bev: 28.9 percentile DJ: 52 percentile Isolation Bev: 15.6 percentile DJ: 61.6 percentile So basically DJ Augustin is better at all aspects of offence except at spot up shooting. Also he can run the pick and roll that is the most important part of a modern NBA offence whereas Bev can't. Rockets last year run the pick and roll offensive ball handler 15.7% and detroit 15.3%. So basically Bev is a 3 + D "guard" while DJ augustin is a playmaking backup guard. The one can create for his teammates and run an offence the other cannot. I like Bev but he is what he is. a 3+D. And not so good 3. And that's not even getting into the Brewer Green comparison that was the most homeristic of all. Because I'm tired of looking up stats. But you could just spend one second to consider before you posted that, in this offseason Brewer was one of the last to sign at only 8 per while Green had multiple teams going after him and he signed for 12 per or so and he had even better offers that he turned down. And is considered one fo the best contracts in the nba.
You're reaching the point that many opposing fans of other teams reach on Clutchfans...first you get comfortable and let get friendly with everybody, second you get bitter and starting calling out posters for being homers on their own teams forum like it's your mission "inform" everyone..last you get so jaded you become a full blown troll. Examples include the poster what (Grizzlies), clippy (Clippers), sactown (Heat).
???? Because I can support my opinion with facts. ?what you talking about? And for the record Rockets is my western team.
they are only at 8 because they hired gentry from warriors, gentry is so overrated as a coach. ESPN wants to put every team in the top 8 that the warriors beat last year in the playoffs to make their run look good, but nobody will forget about the injuries those teams were dealing with. Its a little slick move by espn, who is in love with curry and the warriors
eric gordon has a contract year and seems healthy. ALSO most importantly they dont' have a stupid (but nice person) coach who takes the ball out of AD's hands. A coach can make a huge difference when before you had a developmental coach who knew little about offence shemes.
Blah blah fancy cherry-picked, advanced half-truth stats on offense. Do you hear yourself? Patrick Beverley has an elite ability to impact the game, an elite ability to change the momentum in a game. With defense. DJ Augustin has nothing close to this. No elite ability at all. Boom. Apples. Enjoy them how ever you prefer.
I dont see the Rockets being the 4th seed this season. I feel like the Spurs are too hyped. Khawhi is good but not a superstar and Duncan, Parker and Ginobili are nowhere near what they used to be. LA is a great pickup but does that make the Spurs better than the Rockets? Clippers been their done that. Thunder will be scary good. Better than the Warriors.
six elite teams in the west with differences so marginal that the faintest breeze reshuffles the deck. these preseason rankings have never been more useless than they are now. let the games begin already.
Yes but he has a track record at the NBA as a good offensive coach. He's not a rookie like Hoidberg or Donovan. It's very expected and normal to project a MUCH better offence with Gentry than with Monty Williams. lol Yeah a defence at backup GUARD is equally important as playmaking.Do YOU hear yourself? Your answer was completely devoid of any morsels of substance. It's one thing to say Bev fits best at starter next to Harden because Harden is a very high usage player with high defence and it's another to call Bev alone a better player. Esp at backup when he won't have to play next to Harden most of the time but supposedly boost the playmaking of the second unit. You are simply a hopeless blind homer who asks for proof and when you dont like what you see ,just say it's half truth.
i'd like to point out that bev's numbers should look a little better if he is playing less minutes and playing against backups instead of westbrook, paul, curry, type point guards. instead he will be playing against points guards you know like DJ. it should make a pretty big difference in my opinion.
assists% usually go down, because your teammates are worse. 3pt efg% also may go slightly down if he doesnt play next to the stars, because he won't be so open as he was. (last year 37% open and 11% wide open from three. That means he wasn't so much guarded . Tho not like the bigs. In comparison DJ was 33.9% open and 6.9% wide open). You can see by the huge % of wide wide open shots of the GSW forwards (barnes, Green )how much playing next to stars opens up the other players. That's why they are not as good shooters as they may appear. What may go up is the drives. Playmaking doesn't have to do with whether he's with the starters or not. But with higher usage he will get more assists in general tho his rate of assists creating is very bad for a point guard. BUT that's why he was a good fit next to Harden in the first place. Coz he was a low usage 3+D spot up user pg. He is what he is. A marvelous role playing pg that fit like a glove next to a star. As a backup pointguard on his own tho? [Dj Augustin is one of the best backup guards in the league atm btw. ]
malakas, I'm not here to fight. It's just that I think the stats you used to suggest DJ Augustin is better than Patrick Beverley are all crap. I don't care about playmaking usage of Beverley when he plays next to Harden. Iso percentage is so far from the silver bullet on nailing down who is better than another player. It's crap. Advanced stats so often are little slices of tunnel vision. It's ignoring Beverley's biggest impact to the game. It's assuming Beverley will be the back up. It's assuming that back up even means anything like this is NBA Jams instead of a sophisticated league of rotations. It's even more wrongly assuming that Beverley won't have elite defensive tasks every night, and will instead guard the DJ Augustins of the league. If that warrants namecalling, blind homer, etc. then so be it. Hey, I'm just a Rocket fan. Try it out maybe sometime, it's pretty fun.
That's not really how it works though, being elite at some things is better than being average at more things. You're viewing it in some sort of Kobestan environment, in real world application the question "who is the better basketball player" is the same as "whose skill set does more to assist winning?". As an fyi, those Rockets homers over at ESPN (you know them right? and how they're always pro Houston right? ) have Augustin at #225 and Beverley hasn't been ranked yet (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13723434/team-team),if a player didn't make the top 400, he's not on the list at all.
I sincerely apologise for my tone. You can be a Rocket fan I hope, without having to always think that the Rockets' players are all better than other players from other teams. This is not Bev hating. This is objective opinion based on the eye test, watching games and advanced stats. You said that Bev was the better player. He is not. He is the better fit. Yes absolutely. But player he isn't. And 29/29 teams would rather have DJ than him. That's not bad, because as I said before DJ is one of the best backup pgs. And Bev isn't the worst backup pg by any means either. I used every single offensive stat available through Sport VU. Everyone.
We spend half the threads saying how clueless the espn analysts are and now you are giving me this as evidence? lol When it comes to your backup pointguards there are some things more important than others. Most teams (like 99%) want scoring. And playmaking because usually the bench players lack playmakers at the other positions. Fit is as equal to talent and even more when a team already has multiple stars on the roster. However the original post was about who is the better player. And when if Bev is a backup and his minutes next to Harden are much less, then his value also is diminished. PS. i HAVE not idea what kobestan means.lol And I didn't even got into detail about the Brewer - Danny Green comparison.
You know, like Kobe. Impossible to prove. Good luck arguing that DJ is better than Bev, especially on these forums. Bev > DJ. And I'm a big fan of DJ too, going back to his longhorn days.
Pelicans at 8, then a lot needs to happen because what I saw in the play-offs was kind of baffling. AD did not get the ball that much and when he did he was on top of the key or the elbow to start to drive. He needs to get down and dirty if they want to go anywhere. Making him a soft outside player will maybe do something for longevity, but not much else.
