Sure, I'll help you out. Harrell is someone who can make open dunks and layups, thus he brings everything to the table that Jones does. He also has potential when it comes to rebounding and defense to be above average, so in a year, he'll probably bring more to the table than Jones currently does.
What he says is absolutely true. Dmo, did perform well with the starting unit. +11 net rating is awesome. What he failed to mention however,was Jones didn't really have much of an opportunity to play with the starters due to all the injuries, however, when he played with the starters, with Terry in place of Beverley, the net rating was even better.
That link does not even show the original starting lineup of Beverley Harden Ariza Jones Howard I guess because they played so few minutes. It does show the lineup of Beverley Harden Ariza Motiejunas Howard with a +10.7 which is very good. Although it also shows a lineup of Terry Harden Ariza Jones Howard with a +16.9 so I'm not sure that link really proves anything. Anyway, the starters with DMo was our 9th best lineup so not quite convinced.
Really? and why bball reference shows .351 on 37 attempts? I don't think I have to explain that 37 attempts is a ridiculously small number. No. You really have absolutely no idea if Harrell will be able to finish against NBA competition. Not ot mention that his defence will be bad as is all rookies'. The only thing I am more confident is rebounding because historically it translates the best. But right now we don't know nothing , we can only speculate and use words as potential. And even the word potential doesn't mean much because he hasn't even played in the D-league. What Harell brings atm is a question mark.
The Terrence/Terry/Harden/Howard/Ariza lineup played 84 minutes together. I dare you to comb the games on popcorn machine and see what lineups they were going up against and compare those lineups to the lineups Motie and the other starters went up against. (I did.) I'm not going to break it all down to you but sufficient to say DMo was much better with the starters than Terrence was last year. Now go to the playoffs and see how the starters performance falls off with Terrence in the lineups. Just do thorough homework here and the picture will paint itself. DMo is a better fit with the starters than Terrence is. Watch the games. And do all the homework.
Yeah, you have to do some math on your own to come up with his 3 point percentage when you combine the regular season with the playoffs...you know, to get a bigger, more statistically relevant sample. I'm pretty sure he can make open dunks and that's about the only thing Jones is good at doing. As to his defense....Jones is pretty terrible too, so it's not a factor.
Dmo didn't really break out until game 10 or so, and jones was out injured at that point. In the early/pre season Jones was definitely providing more for the team, but after things started coming together for Dmo, that was no longer going to be the case, really ever.
...BBALLholic you know very well that this argument you make has a big hole. Not only is 84 minutes a minuscule number to judge ANY lineups but also you absolutely can't compare it with PO lineups. You very well know that POs and RS are two different situations where the defences are night and day and your opponents are much better. It's very biased and unfair to pin it down to TJ. ESPECIALLY since due to injury you lack a comparison with a PO lineup including DMO. This is a very biased argument you make. Including pos the attempts remain too few. If you think a rookie's defence is the same as Tjones you will most likely be very dissapointed. And it's not even a high bball iq very polished rookie.
DMo was very good in ever single preseason. But that translated to 0 minutes game after game to start seasons.
malakas, your belief that you know nothing about a player until he laces them up in the NBA and plays boxes you in when it comes to player valuations. Some of us don't have that limitation. I don't have to wait until Karl Anthony Townes laces them up and plays substantial minutes in the NBA to know whether or not he's a better player than Anthony Bennett. Apparently you do. Same goes for Terrence. I've been watching and valuating him since he came out of high school (including watching him in HS). And I've seen plenty of Harrell's play at Louisville. I know Harrell is the better defender. You'll have to wait to find out because you zero out everything a player does previous to playing in the NBA. That's your problem. Not mine.
Sure, so we can go back to his previous sample which is still not any good at shooting the 3. Unless Jones has finally figured out how to make proper rotations on defense I'm not sure the defense of a low BBIQ rookie is any different. There's lots of times that Jones looked like a rookie on defense last season. Most of the time really. Defense is just something Jones is simply not any good at largely because of his failures when it comes to the mental side of defense. Knowing where to be, knowing when to rotate. Things like that. Things that you'd expect a rookie to fail at.
this coming from someone who believes aaron craft should be in the NBA and that his defense is top notch. lol Unless you're physically training these players day in and day out your credibility for player evaluation is not anything to take seriously. You want to make others believe you're this special person who can recognize nba talent but that's far from the truth. Just because you see Harrell on tv a few times does not make you an expert. You have absolutely no idea how his game will translate into the NBA until it actually happens.
Oh I have an opinion on Harrell but unlike you and Bobby I don't take it for granted that it will translate. When professional scouts have failled again and again to predict a players' development allow me to not be delusional or arrogant and think that I know better than everyone or can see the future. And the only reason that you two have said it , is because you have the opinion that Jones is utter trash. Which frankly very few share and I do not. It has little to do with Harrell himself. Neither was Dmo's. The point is that they must take these shots both of them because it helps our offensive system. If they both shoot 20% then ok stop. But judging from two years ago and when the pointguard rotation of the team were the worst of the league is premature. Take them and judge. It is again and again underestimated how the pointguard affects the 3% of the roleplayers. It is of tremendous importance. Esp in C+S. I am not impressed by Jones defence, but neither do I expect anything defensive wise by Harrell. So I guess we agree on that. But players usually get better in defensive rotations the more years they play. We shall see.
Ahem, that was my point. Look. Playoff lineups and stats are the real true measure of where a team and players are at. Terrence has absolutely melted down 2 playoff years in a row. It's as plain as the nose on your face that he can't measure up phsyically and mentally to bigger, more skilled players playing under the heat and pressure of the playoffs. Don't know what else to say here. There's no way DMo will be worse in playoff mode. No way. Can't be worse than what Terrence has been the last 2 post seasons. Here's you some more evidence concerning Terrence's shooting. Empty gym. No pressure. Not even taking 3's. C-L-A-N-K-I-N-G <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/P49c24u1pnc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> He can't shoot a basketball, malakas. Even with coaching in an empty gym. Still can't do it. I do not think Harrell's defense is the same as Terrence's. Harrell's defense is better. I have no idea what that last sentence is saying.
even in the lineups not including Jones the perfomance of the other players falls during the pos. It's not surprising. It's not due to Jones it's due to playing high intensity matches with defences prepared. Yes he can't match against bigger and more skilled pfs. The majority of the skilled and bigger pfs you find in the playoffs are stars. He isn't. I could add here that we have no idea if DMo can too but I don't care. Not everything is DMO vs Jones. Let's hope he does. Interesting video. Were they trying to fix the mechanics of his shot? It doesn't tell me anything how he performs during a session with a shot doctor because he is probably trying to tweak some things and it takes TONS of repetitions to acquire the muscle memory. The last sentence says that Harrell in my humble opinion as a simple fan is not a high bball iq payer and is not what is regarded as polished player either. So to say that he can offer more in defence than a 3 year player is a stretch and a speculation. Maybe he can offer the same if the Rockets are lucky.
I agree In that I don't think Harrell is going to bring much to the table for atleast the first half of the season, Reason being he's a rookie. I'm confident that in time he can prob be a better defender than jones because he was actually pretty darn good in college at that and also finishing around the rim. What im not confident in, is his rebounding. He was not a great rebounding big in college, I'm not sure why people have this notion that he was Kenneth faried at that level? Faried was the best rebounder in college for 2 straight years Harrell was not even close to that. I think what the rockets hope for is that he shows potential in the same things that jones brings to the table making Tj expendable seeing as he and Dmo are in contract years but I'm just not sure that will happen. I'm not the biggest jones fan by any means but he is a lot better than people give him credit for on this board. He's above avg as a rim protecter/rebounder/finisher and he has the ability to put the ball on the floor and go coast to coast. As a bench player he's actullay quite good and at his age it's really stupid for people to totally right him off. Is he a long term answer as a starter? Imo no but he does have the talent to change my mind which it seems no one is giving him that chance. I just think a lot of people want to just dump him for a bag a chips but when and if we do get rid of him many of those same people will be saying damn I really miss TJ coming off the bench. Off the bench guys that can get u 12/7 and a blk don't grow on trees and really all bench guys have limitations that's why they don't start. In a perfect world we would be able to lock dmo and jones up for a combined 18mil I just don't see that happening because some team will throw 10+ mill at both unfortunately.
Malakas, stop wasting your time on this delusional arrogant fool. His opinion = fact and he he's very condescending to others who do not share his belief, since he knows everything. He has god complex and there's no arguing with people like that.
