Police: Concealed Handgun Holder Assaulted, Robbed Of Handgun

Right. Guns don't kill people, people do.

Except people use guns to kill people and if people didn't have guns, they'd be MUCH less efficient at killing people.

It's like saying nerve gas doesn't kill people, people do.

 

people celebrating a confirmed law abiding background checked citizen being assaulted and robbed by drug addicted felons.

 

In real life, nothing is black and white. There are silver linings and lessons to be learned in both positive and negative outcomes.

 

I missed the celebration part of it. I did catch the using the incident as an argument or cautionary example.

 

How many times are guns used in self-defense per year? The Violence Policy Center estimated an annual national average of 67,740 for the period of 2007-2011, relying on data from the National Crime Victimization Survey. Are you contending that there are more than 67,740 firearm homicides in the United States per year? Alternatively, are you arguing that the group that set out to disprove the NRA's self-defense argument for guns overestimated defensive uses by more than 80%?

 

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-guns-self-defense-charleston-20150619-story.html

259 justifiable homicides by firearms verses 8,342 criminal homicides, 20,666 suicides by gun, 232,000 guns stolen to criminals and 548 fatal negligent discharges in 2012. Guns are successfully used for murder instead of self defense by a magnitude of almost 40.

Guns are failing their intended purpose. If the failure rate was similar with any other inanimate object such as automobiles, yes, there would be a rational outcry to ban them. However, I'm not naive, and understand that banning firearms when there already is a mass circulation of them in the U.S. is impractical and useless.

 

Actually guns are working exactly to their intended purpose which is to kill. This is what makes guns different than cars, kitchen knives or other tools that have also caused death which is that guns, particularly hand guns, are meant for one purpose. Killing.

 

Are you suggesting that you have to kill a person in order for a gun to be successfully used in self-defense?

 

Your statistic is the number of times guns were used in self defense. To make an accurate analogy, compare your number to the number of times firearms were used in any case of attempted criminal coercion(attempted theft, theft, attempted rape, rape, attempted murder, murder etc).

 

Bobby stop man you making yourself look like a fool.

 

I never do. That's what the OP did when he made a gleeful post about someone getting assaulted and robbed. Some people are just scummy like that I guess.

 

Look squirrel.

(Maybe they won't remember the actual point if I counter attack the OP)

 

232.000 stolen to criminals? And how many more crimes have resulted from these stolen guns?

LMAO this is the perfect counter answer to most distraction tactics used in this subforum. You are a genious.:grin:

 

Wow, pretty bold for people to attack a gun holder to steal their gun! You'd think that there would be easier things to steal from someone and why target a gun holder?

Basically these criminals must have been so confident they could disarm him and he would not be a threat for them to risk it. I mean, who would risk attacking a gun owner?

 

LOL, you know that I'm right. I know those who share his twisted ideology and history of pulling for criminals might not like that he got called out for being an awful person but it is what it is.

 

I'm curious where all the illegal guns came from. My guess is for the vast majority of them they are not the result of criminals robbing army warehouses, robbing gun manufacturer & distributor warehouses, importing them from overseas etc.

 

There are great potential for it. They already have some in production. As with most new technology, it costs an arm and leg first, but quickly go down with time and mass. A fingerprint sensor cost less than $10 in volume. A special chip to process it is likely less than $10 in volume. RFID cost even less. Combination techniques, such as keeping the gun active for some period of time (24 hrs for example) but would de-active without owner input can be one effective way of rendering stolen gun useless while reducing the fear that it won't work when you need it. There are plenty of other ideas and technique and it's doable.

However, the irrational gun folks, and they are strong in number, have made it almost impossible to pursuit smart guns in the USA. They want to prohibit it. So much for freedom and free market loving folks.

http://fortune.com/2015/04/22/smart-guns-theyre-ready-are-we/

 

You were the one that made the claim that guns are used in murders more than in self-defense. I guess you can move the goalposts now that you have been conclusively proven wrong, but why not just admit you were wrong instead?

 

Gunbearers are susceptible to moral hazard lulling them into a false sense of security. Easy pickings for the local rapscallionery.