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It looka like a bomb

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Sep 15, 2015.

  1. Bobbythegreat

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    No he did not.

    Perhaps you interpreted it that way due to your bias, but as far as his actual words go, he never said that.
     
  3. Cohete Rojo

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    I agree. But the reactions are beside the point. Battle lines have to be drawn, and hopefully a Southpark episode as well (including the overreacting pool cop).
     
  4. rocketsjudoka

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    Except plenty of those on the right seem to be getting worked up by it. You have many people, particularly those on the right side of the political spectrum arguing that the father planned this.
     
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    That would be pretty funny.
     
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    this thread was derailed on purpose because of lack of legitimate counter arguments. Typical. :rolleyes:
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    Was there an argument to begin with?
     
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    plenty. Dont be like that guy cohete who can't read.
     
  9. Carl Herrera

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    I didn't see a lot of legitimate argument though. There was discussion about it being a possible hoax or publicity stunt, and talk about why it's pretty obvious why the school reacted the way they did, but that's not real argument.

    It boils down to either a super naive kid who took a clock out of it's case and put it in a box and thought it was cool enough to where he had to show all of his teachers....and it just happened to make noises in every one of his classes or it's a case of a father who got his kid to pull a publicity stunt.

    Either way it's not a really big deal and the kid is making out like a bandit.
     
  11. malakas

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    super naive? Why? A kid has to be super naive to make a clock nowadays?

    Did you miss the arguments on racial profiling, on the paranoia and most importantly the incompetence of the teaching staff?
    I don't know but I would be very worried if such stupidity was represantive of the average teacher and principal in the greek schools.
    What kind of punishments have been handed out to the teachers and police officers?
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    He didn't make a clock, he (or someone else) took a clock out of it's case and stuck it in a box and spread the wires out. You'd have to be super naive to not think that bringing something that looks like an improvised explosive device to school would be a smart idea.

    The nonsense about racial profiling was ignored because frankly it's really stupid, anyone that did the same thing the kid did would have gotten the same reaction if they shopped for that reaction like the kid did by having the device make noise in multiple classes and then not explaining the situation when confronted. Sure it took 6 teachers, but he eventually got the reaction he was looking for (IMO)
     
  13. malakas

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    an improvised explosive device? How? If you don't see a problem or find it natural that a clock looks like an improvised explosive device because of wires, here lies the problem.
    No not everyone would have that reaction as they shouldn't. Since there is not freaking EXPLOSIVES.
    Where are the parents?
    I don't care one bit about left or right camps and their prearranged agendas in this matter. What about when YOUR kid tries to make a clock or another small electrical device with wires like this because he was curious and wanted to learn and he is treated like a criminal?
    What about these teachers tells you that they are capable of teaching and passing on the passion of knowledge and curiosity when they can't use BASIC common sense? That's what i am outraged about. How young students are treated. How the atmosphere is one of fear and suspicion and trying to find potential terrorists instead of congratulating and incentiving kids to make their own strides and discover on their own about technology and engineering.
    The english teacher. How she can teach kids about analysing a literature text and being able to use their minds when she can't use her own mind in a basic way?
     
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    The kid made nothing. If he was the one who put it together, it was just taking a clock out of it's case and sticking it in a box. It wasn't modified in any way.

    As to why I'd think it "looks like an IED"....well that's because the only real difference between this and what an actual IED could look like would be a bit of C-4 or other explosive and a blasting cap.

    Also, it's important to note that no one thought it was an actual bomb since there was no actual explosives, they thought that the kid made this to make others think it was a bomb....which can get you in trouble.

    I find it super hard to believe that the kid actually thought that taking a clock out of it's case and sticking it in a box was so impressive that he had to take it to school and show his teachers.....especially when he described it as not a big deal and something he just threw together in 20 minutes.

    Kids shouldn't be bringing potential distractions like that to school in the first place and I don't buy that it just so happened to make noise in the middle of class. I mean, it's still possible, it just doesn't pass the smell test.

    IMO it's no different than if someone left a pressure cooker sitting around at a marathon. MAYBE it was an innocent accident, but most likely it's an intentional stunt.
     
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    It's ridiculous to accuse this family of orchestrating it all without any concrete evidence. Cuban is an idiot. Of course they are going to capitalize on the situation. But to think that this 14 year old kid was setting up his school and the police for a national media frenzy which would gain him a bonanza of goodies is just absurd. A father would never intentionally put their kid in that sort of potential trouble.

    As for what happens in Saudi Arabia - the whole country is an outrage. There's plenty to be outraged about in that country. But as typical, you do not give any sense of recourse. There is no media to put pressure on the powers that be like there is here.
     
  16. malakas

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    I don't know exactly how he made it and if took it out and reassembled it or whatever but so? It's a young kid taking interest in the making of electronic device. Definitely commentable and should be encouraged. Maybe after this he can take more steps in making a clock form scratch.

    The only real difference is C4? LOL and that's just a minor detail? That's the night and day difference here. A so called bomb is not a bomb without an exploding agent.

    Ok..since noone thought it was an actually bomb and since the kid NEVER claimed that it was a bomb not before or after or during the interrogation then why he was punished and treated like a criminal? Maybe because paranoid adults tried to project their own warped sense of reality to a young child?
    a) they thought it was a real bomb. They failed to use common sense from the teacher who found it to the principal to the police. They failed to take measurements showing another level of basic incompetence that endagered the school. They shouldn't be fit to teach kids since they can't use common sense.
    b) they didn't think it was a real bomb. Uneccessary and paranoid abuse of power. They shouldn't be fit to teach kids.

    The root of the problem in a basic family level lies here:
    Really? So if YOU bobby were the father of a 11y.o kid. Your kid was interested in engineering and tried to make his first step in taking down and reassempling a device. He wants to show his accomplishment to his teachers because he is proud of it and take tips from his science teacher since you know.. he thinks school is the place where he can receive knowledge.
    You see it and tell your kid: wtf you doing little bobby? That is a potential bomb. You put in danger your country and the school and act like a terrorist.
    Don't take down devices and play with wires. That's unpatriotic. If you want to be a good kid and student just read your books and accept a device as it is , don't try to figure out on your own how it works.
    Instead of encouraging your kid and being supportive and guide him yourself to seek tips from his teachers (the school) you instead instill fear and paranoia into him and turn him away from seeking on his own the answers.
    Great.

    The comparison with the pressure cooker is completely out of place. A pressure cooker is not reassempling a clock. A marathon is not a place to seek knowledge. The intention of someone bringing a clock in school to show the teachers and leaving a pressure cooker at a marathon is the difference between the intention of young future potential scientist versus a mass murderer.
     
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    Well it's pretty important actually. He didn't "reassemble" anything, he literally just took something out of a case and put it in a box. That's not making electronic devices. It's not anything really. If he had actually made it from scratch, or at least assembled one from parts then that would be something, but that's not what happened and knowing that is important.

    Again, no one thought it was an actual bomb, just that he was trying to make something that looked like a bomb. Why else would he take a clock out of it's case and stick it in a box and have it make noise in class?

    This is a clock

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    if a kid brought it to school then they'd be in trouble....for the exact same reason the kid was.

    It wasn't an abuse of power and it wasn't unnecessary. You can't have kids bringing things like that to school being a distraction.


    This isn't a comparable situation. The kid in this case didn't reassemble anything, and I'd hope to have a smarter kid than that. If they did take a clock out of it's case and throw it in a box like that I'd assume that they were trying to make it look like a bomb and I'd tell them they couldn't bring it to school. If they were actually interested in things of that nature, I'd have them actually build something.

    A little bit of common sense goes a long way.

    You only think it's out of place because you still wrongly think that the kid "reassembled" something when he didn't. He took a clock out of it's case intact and stuck it in a box. The end.

    Despite not knowing that, you still buy the kid's story 100% and think that someone taking a clock out of it's case intact and putting it in a box to resemble an IED is the sign of a "young future potential scientist".

    The intention very likely was to just to cause a scene, very likely at the request of his father who is an activist.
     
  18. mc mark

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    I have to laugh at the crazies in here who think this 14 year old mastermind planned this whole scheme just so he could get arrested, embarrass the police and get some swag.
     
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    Nice doubling down. Concede that no one thought it was a bomb, and now him being arrested is still justified due to him being a "distraction".
     
  20. Bobbythegreat

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    It's the same as yelling "fire" in a theater. Anyway, I know that people are buying the weak story hook line and sinker, but it just doesn't pass the BS detector.

    The kid did the equivalent of taking a McDonald's hamburger out of a bag and putting it on a plate and people are falling all over themselves to talk it up.

    You bring the "clock gun" that I posted above to school, the same thing would happen to anyone. Again, a kid was suspended for eating a pop tart into the rough shape of a gun in this country....schools don't play when it comes to BS at school. You don't bring anything that could be misinterpreted as a threat to school and that's just what this kid did and he made sure it made noise in his classes so as to be seen.
     

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