If I remember right there was a quote in the original story that when the police officer first laid eyes on the kid said "that's who I thought would do that". How did he say that? All he had was his appearance and a muslim name. Maybe I remember wrong.
I don't know how it's revelant to this thread but I also speak german and french. And don't try to write me in German because I will understand it but I will have to pull up leo.de to correct a million spelling errors and it's not the time.
that's because you being a spelling nazi to someone who hasn't english as native language, instead of responding to the post itself. A demagogicue distraction from the conversation and an attempt to lower the credibillity of the other.
Racism isn't a crime that is proven in a court of law. Why do I think his race played a role and racism was involved by the school and the police? Simple. Many other students have built electronic cops with tons of wires and circuit boards, brought them into school, and never had a problem. The issue wasn't the clock. It was who was carrying the clock.
Really? Someone builds something with tons of wires and circuit boards that could be mistaken as a bomb and brings it to school unsolicited (not as part of a homework or something)? "Many students" do that? What is your source for claiming that? Perhaps those "many students" have had problems as well, but didn't have an activist father who apparently has very good connections to the media to blow things out of proportion and make up lies ("my son was tortured")?
They were not prioritizing safety at all. The school wasn't evacuated. There was no cordoning. Nothing. Either they knew it was not a bomb from the very second they saw it or they are incredibly incompetent in how to handle a bomb threat.
AND ATW, if there is any group in the United States with a persecution complex it is the white conservative christian demo. You know little about the Muslim demo in the United States. Muslims have little to no political clout in the U.S. and tend to stay low key. I wonder why you never seem outraged by how many conservative christians in the U.S. start their gofundme campaigns after they cry persecution on mediums such as Fox News.
There was an article about other kids who have built clocks and brought them to school. It's quite common these days for kids to use circuit boards as the tech becomes more accessible and modular. Wires, digital displays, circuit boards - most of the time they aren't for making bombs. I am not discussing the father or anything like that. I am talking about the kid. I could not care less about the father or the media or whatever proportion. What bothers me is that a kid is under more suspicion because of his race. And that's true. There are people who spread the idea that Islam is not a religion of peace, which results in Muslims here who live peacefully being viewed with more suspicion and jumping to conclusions. I am not saying it's the only reason. I think schools are getting over-the-top with zero tolerance policies. Eating a pop tart out so it looks like a gun shouldn't get you suspended. Using your finger like a laser gun shouldn't get you suspended. It's all ridiculous. But you can't ignore race in this case and the role it plays even on a less conscious level in how people make judgements.
As someone who went both to public schools and swanky private schools, this is why public schools suck. In public schools, the unfamiliar is dangerous, and if you stand out from the group, they slam you back into your lititle box of conformity like someone playing whac-a-mole. I think a lot of you were so beaten down by public schools that you think subjugation to the machine is healthy and normal. It isnt.
I'm not outraged by anything in this clock kid story, not even by his political activist father milking the story to promote the victimhood aspect of his religious ideology. As so often, Bill Maher puts it best: That is something people should be outraged about. Not some story about some clock kid that is being milked by the clock kid's family.
The outrage is about how a kid was treated by the school and PD. You never fail to bring your topic to any discussion. There are any number of greater outrages to be had. Stay on topic.
Bill Maher was the one who put things into perspective. Hysteria about one Muslim kid possibly being treated a bit unfairly vs. complete indifference towards another Muslim kid (of many) being under threat of being murdered by an "allied" government of the West, while having done absolutely nothing wrong. If you think these topics are not related, Bill Maher disagrees with you. And he is right.
Just because they do enjoy the attention doesn't necessarily mean there's a larger hidden agenda or that it exposes a plan to premeditate bringing the "fake bomb". I'd say it's more likely for normal people who are unexpectedly thrust into the spotlight to say and do stupid things rather than act with grace and composure you'd expect from actors or politicians. Things you say and do privately doesn't always translate well when millions of people hear it in soundbite.
Some other house, where we have very little direct control of, do something more outrageous absolutely doesn't excuse, allow us to look away and not deal with disgrace in our own house. If that's the game, we all go down to the bottom of humanity very fast.
Agreed, but I have posted that before. My personal opinion is that it cannot be ruled out either, just like it cannot be ruled out that the kid's race and religion played a role in how the situation was dealt with. The degree of how terrible the Saudi government's actions are should be more important than whether it is "their house" or "our house". It's a much more severe situation, and as a citizen of the world I am a lot more concerned about what is happening to the kids in Saudi Arabia than a kid possibly being treated slightly unfairly because of some clock that might or might not look like a bomb. Human rights are universal. They don't end at borders.
It's quite amazing all this victim blaming going on. Doesn't change the fact the school and the police overreacted.
Here is the problem. Because of how the Saudi gov is crazy, the kids here being treated unjustly isn't worthy to care about, especially since they are all Muslim. I hope that's not how you deal with your family. Look, that guy over there cut off his head, so my son beating the crap out of that girl is ok. Go ahead and start a new thread about that case. You had no problem doing so for the millionth time, so why stop now. Stay on topic and stop bringing up your love affair that serve nothing but to derail.
I like the idea that these new morality plays have a life and create discussion between disparate groups on social media. For one, information is always preferable to a lack of information or worse mis-information. The more the nuances are discussed the more generalized truth we achieve. And, there is a new social phenomena happening right under out noses and it is very democratic. In the past communication and expression were very limited by the means available to people. You really only had a few politicians and writers that shaped the generalized social consciousness. But it is now getting so every ethical and moral decision gets thrown in the social tumbler where hundreds and thousands of people influence hundreds and thousands of other people, round and round until you get sort of an updated version of public morality every step of the way. And in the long run it hard to defend discrimination in groups of differing people. carry on
