Speaking specifically in regards to special teams. Most special teams units are better because a team has better overall talent... which pushes all the undrafted or late round guys onto the ST squad. In the Texans case, they've whiffed on all the mid-round picks that should be starters, that the undrafted or late round guys are now starting (which makes the talent pool even worse for ST).
How is it solid value? We get New England's 5th round pick... So probably picks 28-32 is that round. New England gets out 6th round pick. So probably picks 8-16? We gave up KM to move up a few spots. That's all. Advantage New England.
They made it work with Gaffney, when nobody else did. They made it work with Welker. They made it work with that defensive lineman the Texans cut 2 years ago. Or yeah, he could just end up being a continued disappointment...
He had no place on the roster in Houston...and in fact, he should have been cut. The Texans obviously kept him bc he had some trade value. Basically, we moved up approximately 20 spots in the draft for free, because Martin had absolutely no role with the Texans. Now, if the Patriots can use him, then good for them...but from Houston's perspective, getting something from him is better than not getting anything from him.
but he was negative value on our roster and moving up 20 spots in the draft wasn't for free. We had to cut someone who could have contributed, at a minimum, to special teams. I'm thinking specifically of crazy socks. With as bad as our special teams looked in week one, tell me you didn't want sox running down to help make a stop like he seemed to continually do. So I agree that it wasn't solid value. It was recouping something when you've already screwed up the hand you were dealt.
so cool that you have direct insight into their decisions on the last man on the roster, but you are missing the point. Charles James wasn't making it to the practice squad and they new it.
They didn't know it and you don't either. He is on a practice squad right now. He didn't "not make it to the practice squad."
the point is that keeping keyshawn and taking up a roster spot to move up a few spots at the back end of next years draft instead of keeping a player who could have made an impact in a specific area of the team was not good value. but you are right, I don't know if he would have made it through and only use CJIII to make a point. I wasn't there in training camp to look through all the players and determine which ones would make an impact. But I can tell you that Keyshawn Martin was never a guy that was going to. So move the marker all you want, but the initial point is valid. What it really all boils down to is that the Texans have had a pretty dismal off-season. I was stoked after last year and what B'OB brought to the table, but I'm starting to reevaluate based on where we stand today. Special teams looks as bad as ever Still no inside linebacker that can cover a tight end or a crossing route No offensive line help A catastrophe so far at QB No running back to cover for fosters injuries
It was between James and Rolle...not James and Martin. The team tried to trade Rolle, but couldnt find a team to bite, so they chose to keep Rolle instead of James. If anything, Martin being on the roster prevented Worthy from making the cut, because they're both receivers with return ability.
and silly me, I actually forgot they tried to get CJIII on the practice squad and he said no to go to Baltimore where he had a better chance to get reps.
yes, that's exactly how they portrayed it on HK w/respect to Rolle and James - still not the point. Forgive my screw up on that point. Still doesn't make the move solid value. It makes them unable to properly evaluate talent and that scares the **** out of me.
where did you get this from? jesus you guys can be ignorant. Rez said good value I sez no I makez pointz as 2 bad offzezon & scrwing up roster spots U sez I strezz over 53 a does not equal z simple enough for you to understand? and take a look at my post a few up where I indicate I simply used CJIII to make a point. It wasn't about him.
If the roster decision was between Chandler Worthy and Keyshawn Martin and they kept Martin to try to trade him, why does that make it a poor evaluation of talent? They kept Worthy. They just wanted to see if they could move Martin. Perhaps they've been working on a couple of deals for a few weeks? I do have concerns about their talent evaluation in general, but not because of this move. This move isn't really interesting to me one way or another.
Ok, let me change mine since you changed yours. You stressing about moving the back end roster spots? lol.
last post and I'm done. Look at the holes on the roster. The numerous numerous holes. Look at the flubs of draft spots - the bungling of the qb situation - the fact that half the holes weren't even addressed in the draft. That we are picking up castaway offensive linemen to scotch tape our line together. with a straight face, can you tell me our team is good at evaluating talent? to me, this is just one more indication of that. and version 3, this should answer yours too. communication in text is hard because inflection doesn't come through, sarcasm, etc. I don't think this move is horrible nor do I think it's good. It's meh. But it's a meh that makes me scratch my head and think, why didn't we utilize that spot on someone who could actually help.
I already said I worry about the talent evaluation of this organization. What you fail to understand is that they are using this roster spot on someone that can help. I believe they intended all along to use the spot on Chandler Worthy, but they didn't want to just cut Keyshawn Martin. My guess is they've been working on a trade since cut day but had to hold onto him into the season to get the deal done. Pats probably held out thinking the Texans would just cut him. This roster spot was always intended for the guy it's going to, Worthy. Now, if he isn't able to help the team then THAT is perhaps something to criticize them for.
