Not sure why everyone (mainly rezdawg) is bashing on Savage? He wasnt drafted to be Andrew Luck DAY ONE, he is a project, and doesnt look all that worse than the other backups that went right around him.. Personally, I want Cardale Jones, but Im an OSU fan and probably out of my mind...
Right...let's take that 1 in 50 chance...rather than the 1 in 10 chance. If that's what you're hoping for, then by all means, more power to you.
Unfortunately, its even worse than a 1 in 10 chance. And nobody is saying they're hoping for anything from Savage except you... he's a project. Teams take projects every year (especially good teams).
Im not bashing Savage at all. In fact, I think he's probably the best of the 3 on our team. I just dont understand the direction BOB is going with the QB position. And apparently, he doesnt really understand the direction he is going in either. If you want to take a Savage in the draft and groom him to become something, then stashing him 3rd on the depth chart or on IR is a totally pointless move bc unless all hell breaks loose, that guy wont really be given a chance to play. When Russell Wilson was drafted, the Seahawks had just given good money to Flynn. Wilson was given a lot of reps and opportunities...and guess what? They actually gave him the keys to the car. Now, Im not saying the Texans should do that with Savage, as Tom as much more raw, but bringing in a Hoyer and keeping Savage at the deepest part of the depth chart, doesnt make sense. Jimmy G is a back up QB in NE...not a 3rd string/IR stash player. In other words, imo, all logic had been thrown out the window the moment Hoyer signed...because essentially, it means that BOB has chosen this one dude over the possibility of draft picks, young talent, and Mallett. Now, less than 1 game into the first game of the season, OB has changed course. It makes no sense. And as Clutch pointed out, that is a cause for concern.
Yeah, teams take projects when they are established at the QB position...not teams that are in desperate need of one. Big difference. (And it's not worse than a 1 in 10 chance, btw)
Im not entirely sure Savage was brought in to be anything more than a potential number 2 backup. Can you show me where anyone in the Org said that Savage was a potential starter down the line? Im asking because I am uninformed on this issue. Thanks.
Sure they do... QB projects are taken everywhere in the 3rd or later rounds every single year, established QB's or not. Also, you're the only one voicing desperation (which is probably why you're willing for them to just take "anybody") What isn't? Finding a Russel Wilson or Tom Brady-like QB with any round draft pick? Or finding Matt Schaub? If you're looking for the latter, I agree. My assessment is that you can and should strive for better... and is the upside of Ryan Mallett all that much different at that point?
Why is a team...who is looking for a starter at QB, concerned about a possible future back up QB? That's basically my point, because I cant make sense of it. If the hope is that he is a #2 one day...then you can find those guys any given offseason. Spend that 4th rounder on safety and hope to find your next Glover Quin.
^Nick you took the words out of my mouth... If it was Savage vs Jimmy G, 2nd round vs 4th round I would take savage in the 4th every time.. Your views are blurred because our 2nd round pick isnt working out. THAT is what we need to focus on, making our early/mid round picks count. If we had gotten an amzaing player in the 2nd round you wouldnt be making this argument at all.
I really hope you're not this purposely obtuse with your patients... Savage is a project. That could mean future starter, that could mean future backup, that could mean nothing at all. Kirk Cousins was a similiar project, and now he's starting. T.J. Yates won a playoff game as a project. Zac Mettenberger was a project, a potential starter, and now a backup. Tyrod Taylor was selected as a project and now he's eventually starting. BOB saw something he liked in Savage and he liked it more than anything else on the board at the time. There was no extra hope or dreams pinned on him beyond that.
My only desperation is because I dont understand the plan here...and as I mentioned, the Hoyer stuff makes no sense...from the time we signed him, named him starter, and benching him 3 quarters into his Texans career. That's a clear sign to me that this situation has been mishandled. And 90% of this board was spot on in regards to Hoyer. That's scary. Im not willing to take "anybody"...but I am willing to take risks. I'd rather draft Carr and Jimmy G in one draft, over drafting Savage and the other busts that we've accumulated on this team. You've said yourself that this team has basically sucked with drafting, so why is there any concern in drafting someone you "like" in the 2nd round? Just do it and see what happens...because the alternative is that you take another player and nothing happens. Getting an elite QB is incredibly difficult unless many, many things fall your way. It's not something I would bank on. Rather, it's easier to take the Flacco/Wilson route and have a solid team surrounding your above average QB. Given the current roster make up of the team, a Joe Flacco would catapult us to the top 3 in the AFC. I'll take that every. single. season. Waiting for an elite QB is nice, and ideal...but I also dont think it's a smart decision if you have a decent chance at the "good" Matt Schaub's of the league.
That's absolutely correct...and the Texans have shown a gross incompetence of drafting. It's not just this year, last year, etc...Theyve just consistently sucked in that department. Therefore, if you're going to be wasting these picks, you may as well draft Derek Carr and see if he's someone that can strive in the system OB has in place. I'd rather be giving these types of guys the chance over bringing in a proven journeyman in Hoyer.
My argument is that you could likely get the "dime-a-dozen" QB any single year... thus they've chosen to continue to build the team up, along with see what they have in Mallett (nee Hoyer), unless there's a strong QB class that is littered with guys in the first 3 rounds that could eventually have a decent enough career (2012 was a strong QB draft class, minus RG3 and Brandon Weeden). We still come back to the argument that is the upside of Mallett really all that worse than Carr or Jimmy G.? And in the mean time, it didn't cost you a first-day pick (albeit in the Texans case, that's looking more and more like a moot point... but that's for another thread). As far as the original "plan" goes, Hoyer was brought in for insurance for Mallett, and Mallet was retained as insurance for Hoyer. Neither is a long-term commitment (unless they want them to be or they earn the spot).
Well, considering the fact that there were already 6 QBs drafted when we selected Savage, I sure do hope that Savage was the best of what was left (although, if you're taking a project, Aaron Murray was my boy). And going back to the rest of your comment where you mention Kirk, TJ Yates, Tyrod Taylor, etc... Those guys were all drafted to teams that already had their #1 guy....they werent in search of their number 1 guy. Mett was a 6th round pick...smart pick because the odds of finding real talent at that position are low and Mett had dropped because of injury, so it was a calculated risk.
Throughout OTA'S, Mini Camp, Training camp and preseason coach kept stating they were even. So where or how are you coming up with this conclusion that Mallett sucks during practice. Both QB's had their up and downs during camp. Coach went with the more experienced player because they were so close.
The Titans had their guy? Really? Cousins was drafted the same year as RG3 (likely to try and flip him). The Bucs drafted Glennon in the 3rd round in 2013, the Raiders drafted Tyler Wilson. There are a number of reasons why these projects are taken late... but in the end, they're still projects... nothing more/nothing less.
At the time of the 2014 draft, we didnt have Mallett...but if we're talking upside, I'd say that the difference between Mallett and the guys you mentioned isnt much. I'd say the floor is lower for Mallett though. And since Ive mentioned that I would be fine with a Joe Flacco skilled player and not necessarily an elite QB, then the floor is an important factor for me to take into consideration.
I didnt say Titans had their guy...I named the 3 guys...then supplemented that with Mett being chosen in the 6th (which is a true flier round instead of the 4th, which you can actually have a higher chance of success). Josh Freeman was the guy in TB until he imploded. The Bucs drafted Glennon after Freemen tossed 27 TDs. And notice how you're using teams like the Raiders and Bucs as examples...let's not be one of those franchises (unless we already are). EDIT: Carson Palmer was the Raiders QB when they drafted Tyler Wilson, no?
Right... and they got him for a song and a dance. When the Texans moved on from Carr, they looked at all the available backups and targeted Schaub (who was the next QB taken after JP LOSMAN!, albeit 2 rounds later) who'd had minor real game experience. (hell, Brett Favre was acquired in a similar fashion.). If you want the non-elite QB just without a low floor, I'd say you should target somebody young who's already been in the league and already survived some OTA's, camps, pre-season games and possibly even game action... much more likely to find a low-floor guy that way (vs. a draftee who has no real track record).
