Black Lives Matter is an honorable movement and is in no way racist

but, but, but he said "it's all factual." :grin:

 

He did all of that why? Because she was smoking. He had no other reason to ask her to step out of the car or do anything for any reason but that she was smoking. He was going to let her go, but he decided to escalate why?

Because she was smoking!

That's an abuse of power. The job of police is not to make people respect them and comply. It is to serve and protect. Compliance is done to ensure the safety of the officer and the public. That is the only reason a cop has the ability to make anyone comply.

When an order is given not because it services the public good but is solely done because the cop was "disrespected", it is AN ABUSE OF POWER. So no, his order was not a lawful order.

Being vindictive is not ok for a cop. Just because someone is hostile and doesn't want to put out their cigarette AFTER the the warning has been issued and the incident is over does give the cop the right to ABUSE his power. The cop felt disrespected and that's why he took it further.

That's abuse. Plain and simple. He should not be a cop if he can't handle people. Poor discipline on the cops part. Very unprofessional.

 

but but but you're an idiot so shut up. We need less ignorant fools who push their ignorant agendas in this world. You belong in the middle ages. Along with Glenrice and Co. Seriously dude, get educated.

 

It wasn't a lawful order, it was an abuse of power. It was about his ego - that's why it escalated.

The supreme court ruled that an office can not prolong a traffic stop beyond what is necessary to address the crime or violation committed. Once he handed her ticket - it should have been over. Him asking her to put the cig out was unconstitutional - as determined by the supreme court. It was a violation of her civil rights.

We live in a country defined by laws and civil rights. There is no law or legal reason for someone to need putting a cig out AFTER a traffic stop is over and a ticket is issued. A cop having a bad day or being angry is not an excuse. It was not legal, it was unconstitutional. It was bad cop you are defending who violated the law and he should not be a cop any more.

 

This was all covered extensively in the Sandra Bland thread, but suffice it to say that it was in fact a lawful order to ask her to step out of the car, his asking her to do so was based on a totality of the circumstances (and if you asked him on the stand he would probably use those exact words), and at no point in their encounter was did he abuse his power.

 

As I'm sure no one is shocked, you are wrong. The supreme court also ruled that police officers ALWAYS have reason to issue a legal order for one to step out of their vehicle when they are lawfully detained.

We talked about this in the other thread and apparently it went over your head.

Somehow you think a traffic stop is over before you are issued a citation, warning, or are informed you are free to go....that is completely untrue. There was no abuse of power, there was no civil rights violation. Any suggestion otherwise is laughable.

I really hope that your persona here is nothing like how you think in real life or you might end up on TV one day doing something stupid while being detained by a police officer. I truly hope you are a smarter person than you act here.

 

Again, it was not a lawful order to ask her to put out her cig. A lawful order must be a reasonable request and be part of the cop doing their job. It was an abuse of power. You can try to twist and spin it as he was asking her to step out of her car, but the reason he asked was because she didn't comply with the unlawful order.

His own boss said he acted inappropriately yet you continue to defende the white cop against the black woman who's rights were clearly violated.

 

No one said that asking her to put out her cigarette was a lawful order, it would have been polite and since she was going to continue to be hostile towards the officer, he asked her to step out of the vehicle, a lawful order. Once she refused, she was going to jail.

Her rights were never violated.

 

You are making up a narrative to justify the violation of her rights. The Supreme Court has already ruled that in traffic stops continuing to hold someone beyond what is necessary to issue the ticket and prevent criminal activity is a violation of rights and unconstitutional.

Once he gave her the warning he should have walked away. Asking her to put her cig out was an unlawful continuation of detention and unconstitutional. She has a right to disagree. His asking her to step out of the car was unlawful because he had no reasonable reason to do that. His only justification that she refused to comply with the cig order is not acceptable.

 

No, I'm explaining the law to you because it's pretty clear you are clueless on the matter.

Given that the supreme court has ruled that there is ALWAYS reason to ask someone to step out of their vehicle, you can't argue that asking such extends the stop beyond what is necessary.

You then say "Once he gave her the warning he should have walked away", but seemingly don't realize that he never got a chance to give her the warning.

You then say "His asking her to step out of the car was unlawful because he had no reasonable reason to do that." Apparently still failing to realize that the supreme court has ruled that officers ALWAYS have a reasonable reason to do that. Literally always.

We've been over this too many times for you to still be ignorant on these issues.

 

The number of BLM members "fanning the flames" in the way you describe is just as minuscule as the number of police who actually abuse their power. You're acting like everyone who displays the hashtag is some kind of violent extremist, when such an opinion is about ten miles off base.

Ignoring actual cases of abuse is a real problem that has a negative effect on black people and has for centuries.

The white community should do some soul searching to try and understand why BLM came up in the first place. It wasn't any specific case, it wasn't any particular "lie." BLM has risen up because black people continue to be discriminated against, to suffer disproportionately from biases in the legal system, and to receive vastly different treatment from police and the public at large.

 

Labeling the entirety of BLM as a "violent support group" clearly shows your bias. The number of BLM supporters espousing violence is as minuscule as "sociopaths on the blue line," but you and others are acting like they are ALL nothing more than violent thugs.

All to marginalize the very real problems that African-Americans face in our society.

 

No, I'm acting like 2 cases in particular that BLM uses as a foundation are total inflammatory bull**** cases that do nothing but distort and cause more problems.

Unfortunately the black community lacks the self awareness to distinguish the difference in poor behavior from members of their community and actual cases of abuse.

LOL at which community needs to do some soul searching.

 

Kiss my guilt free white ass.

 

???

Many black people would admit to this, but not for the reason you probably would suggest I'm betting. The problem is many folks in the white community think everything is perfect and alright when it comes to race. It's not. Either they are content with it or just ignorant and want to live in their delusional utopia peacefully and they get tired of people telling them "It's not real!" and that angers them.

Given the white community history regarding this issue it seems odd that one would laugh and brush it off so callously. You say two cases when the black community has been riled up about this issue for decades now. People that act like this is a new thing are displaying their ignorance to the issue which is not surprising because again....the white community in this country have always had that ignorance towards the issues facing a black person in this country. Again, if BLM dissipates it will not matter. As long as the issue remains then people will be angry.

Again the problem is even with legit cases, the result is the same from a certain group of people.

What Gladiator said was correct. Some people are trying to twist all of BLM supporters into people that support killing officers. That's just not true. In fact not all of BLM supporters are even Black.

 

Again the Supreme court ruled in Rodriguez vs. The United States just a few years back that this is not the case. Please educate yourself before responding in future. Thank you.

 

That case isn't relevant to the Bland case because in Rodriguez vs the US the traffic stop was finished, including issuing the warning ticket. That wasn't what happened in the Bland case.

Please educate yourself before responding in the future.

 

The BLM foundation are the continued injustices which appear to be systemic.

As do you.

Yes, LOL at the people trying to deflect attention away from systemic problems and perfectly evident biases in our justice system by claiming that the perceived injustices are nothing more than "inflammatory b*******.

 

Suck my guilt free white c0ck.

I don't feel any "guilt" whatsoever. I just have the ability to understand why some in the community would feel like the system is biased against them.

 

Nook already said it best, so I'll just repost it for you