Black Lives Matter is an honorable movement and is in no way racist

LOL, in your delusional mind, when did that happen, you think?

There's some desperate attempt to spin history going on, but at no point was I ever proven wrong about anything in this thread.

 

Not sure what there is to debate. Blacklivesmatter# was founded by extremists that base their philosophy on a convicted cop killer that committed terrorist attacks and supported the murder of cops. They don't deny it or hide it. The movement sponsors separateist activists that have called for everything from openly killing police officers to a return to segregation. The founders also are neo feminists that believe violence is the solution to inequality.

All of that is documented fact. There is nothing to debate. It is an extremist group leading a movement.

 

Irrelevant to the topic but dude you have to be the most annoying guy who does some community service that I have ever encountered.

Throwing your community service (as hard as it is for you to comprehend there are people who have been doing it their entire lives and never mention it at all) in everyone's faces while trying to use it as some qualifier for how you're a better person is disgusting and brings your intentions on why you do what you do into question.

If there was ever a wrong way to go about doing community service, you've got it down. Congrats on that. I'm sure other posters are equally sick of hearing your "I do community service, what do you do?" bull****.

 

I see no connection except that everyone has a responsibility. Citizens seem to feel that it is okay to forsake their duty and flaunt it in front of law enforcement like throwing down a gauntlet.

We see videos all the time of cops taking crap that they should not have to deal with. People being disrespectful and antagonistic towards cops like it is their right.

I posted somewhere an FBI stat that there are approximately 36.000 arrests by law enforcement every day. I've never been arrested in my entire life. It was EASY to escape arrest; what are those knuckleheads doing? I don't see too many MLKs out there...

There is a propensity to glorify the demise of thugs like Tayvon Martin or Michael Brown rather than real victims like James Byrd. I fear we are headed for uber-violence.

 

When you're paid for your responsibility you're held at a higher standard.

This is very true and sadly "acceptable" behavior from certain pockets of society, especially among certain portions of teenagers/young adults.

Yet, there would be no need for police if every citizen upheld their moral/ethical/legal "duty" (then the question becomes: to what standard?) anyway. So using the point that citizens should not "be bad" is pretty much meaningless in the context of this discussion.

 

No fan of Skittles or Cigarillo, but there was plenty outcry for James Byrd, especially since hate crimes legislation was still a new concept and somewhat up for debate by some conservatives, including Bush in his debate with Mauro. There might have actually been more press for him, Shepherd and Brandon Teena than Dorismond, Diallo or Pedro Oregon.

 

Totally disagree. Look how quickly Michael Brown's transgressions on that one afternoon faded into disregard while the officer's exemplary responses were distorted and demonized.

Found the video depicting the BLM leader in Phoenix "flunking" the police experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwQEKcKjASw

"... how important compliance was..."

 

Then how are some local municipalities going to receive most of their revenue?

 

Did not say he flunked it by the way.

I thought it was a great video. It shows how hard cops jobs are, and shows also that BLM leaders are open to seeing cop's perspectives and this is what is needed - bridging that gap.

But I think it's important to note that while cases like Michael Brown were legit uses of police force, the issue is not Michael Brown or people getting shot for non-compliance. It's use of unnecessary force in many situations.

The example of the guy who gets stopped at a gas station is told to get his DL and reaches into his car to get his wallet and is shot. Or the case where a cop kills a 7 year old kid with a toy gun. Or the guy at a walmart who is shot despite trying to comply and not having violated any law.

They are plenty of cases where there has been misbehavior by police, where the cops unnecessarily treat people poorly. Where a cop arrests a 70 year old man by throwing him to the ground. For what you ask? Jaywalking!

That's the issue. Not that a cop shots a guy charging at him.

 

You "failed" to notice that I put flunked in quotation marks.

He could only have been deemed to flunk it by the unsubs continuing empty hand when he emerged from behind the truck and the caliber of the response of the second individual involved in the other scenario00

In the fighting scenario there was no context for the "officer" to use for interpretation. He simply SHOT the unsub who moved in on him aggressively. Had the second party said "thanks for saving my life" rather than "why did you do that?", we would have had a totally different scenario. The problem is that DUE TO NON-COMPLIANCE on the part of the unsub there is no opportunity to discover what is really happening.

To a great extent, the police are set up to fail as they would have to have omniscience in many situations to do the right thing. I'm pretty sure this BLM went into this training cold, but one has to ask oneself what amount or kind of training could have prevented these outcomes.

People, even cops, are not omniscient.

 

That sums up 52 pages worth of garbage.

 

It sure doesn't seem that way a lot of times. The only time it seems that police suffer any consequences at all is when their misdeeds are caught on video. As a rule, the "thin blue line" is not crossed by other officers, even when they know that there were abuses by their peers.

When I say "a higher standard," I mean that they should be trained to deescalate situations, the standard these days seems to be that deadly force is justified in far too many instances, allowing police too much latitude when it comes to using their firearms. These days, when nonlethal options are ubiquitous and powerful, we should be seeing fewer police using firearms, but my perception is that police seem to reach for their guns first, never even considering other avenues for handling situations.

This is the problem with your attitude in a nutshell. You think that people who are angry about perceived abuses by law enforcement officers is "whining."

Or cases like Tamir Rice, John Crawford, Levar Jones, or the multitude of people who are pulled over for DWB.

There are many cases where police abuse their official powers, our system actively trains police that lethal force is justified in too many instances, and the system (not necessarily the police, but the system itself) is dramatically biased against minorities, in particular blacks and Hispanics.

Given the actual problems that definitively do exist, I would think that more Americans would support common sense reforms. Unfortunately, too many choose to denigrate people trying to bring such reform to the table instead of engaging with them to try and solve the problems that exist.

 

You may be right. You should consider that you are only fanning the flames by denigrating BLM rather than actually considering addressing the very real problems which affect black people to the point that they actually feel that violence might be the best way to affect changes.

 

As opposed to BLM fanning the flames of violence against the Police by screaming that justified uses of force were cold blooded murder, facts be damned. Crying wolf is a real problem that has a negative effect on black people. BLM should address that..... You can't scream at the top of your lungs for respect using a pack of lies as proof that you aren't getting it.

 

Big difference between that and this:

-Attacking someone for not putting their cigarette out
-Chasing someone for "staring at them"
-Shooting someone in the back running away from you
-Shooting someone in the neck for driving away
-shooting a 7 year old with a toy gun and not giving him a chance to comply
-shooting a guy checking out a walmart gun for purchase even after he has complied
-throwing a teenage girl hard to the ground and causing her pain for talking to her friends and observing
-Having your dog piss on the memorial of Michael Brown

None of these situations were the ones the cops put the BLM leader through. They are all things the cops did that were not necessary. All of them are the reasons why I think BLM really exists.

 

Arresting someone for failure to comply with a lawful order isn't "attacking someone for not putting their cigarette out"

Perhaps you'd be taken more seriously if you stopped with the over the top rhetoric and propaganda for a while.

 

What about what I wrote is not true? It's all factual. The cop grabbed her when she refused to put out her cigarette. I'm sorry if the facts are propaganda to you - that explains a lot of why you have such a hard time seeing reality.

 

He didn't grab her when she refused to put the cigarette out. That is the point. She said she didn't have to put her cigarette out because she was in her own car. He asked her to step out of the car (a lawful order) and she refused. Then he verbally tried to get her to comply with the lawful order, and she still refused. Then he grabbed her to try to get her out of the car, and she fought back. Then he pulled his taser and gave her an ultimatum, at which point she complied with getting out of the car. He then tried to move her to a safe position and arrest her, and the fighting back started again, at which point she was taken down. Distorting the facts does nothing for the cause. If black people are so routinely mistreated by the police, why bother with cases like Bland and Brown? Shouldn't there be thousands of legitimate examples to use instead?

 

I know I'm right and I don't care to patronize those who tout the over-reaction of violence. If we have to be on the lookout for sociopaths on the blue line, we certainly can expect to find them in these violent support groups.

 

Exactly my point as credibility flies out the window.