I didn't say it was MY logic, but that was probably a factor.. plus he isnt a SURE FIRE franchise QB, even before he got hurt he wasn't completing easy passes... he got hurt trying to reach for an extra foot with his throwing hand...
And blowing a pick on Bortles, Carr, Bridgewater, or Manziel would also be a pointless move that would have done nothing for the franchise. That's the point. If there's a QB worth picking, you pick them, if there's not, you don't. Only the worst franchises pick a QB just to pick a QB.
it's the only way to go. if mallet fails, then we're forced to address the qb situation via draft. unless Matt cassel becomes available next year or matt guttierez.:grin:
Now that I 100% agree with. BOB has an unhealthy fascination with Hoyer and it has already cost the Texans one game this season, we'll see how many more it costs them before he does the right thing.
You won't know if those QB would have failed with the Texans or not. Again, you can't assume that just bc Carr isn't a stud in Oakland, that he wouldn't be good in Houston. You don't know until you go for it. And the Texans "going" for it involves signing Hoyer. I'd rather take a risk and fail... Over not risking and failing.
I'm not a fan of foolishly "going for it" and IMO picking a QB that you don't think is good is just that. At least going the Hoyer-Mallett path, you aren't tied to the QB's, you can ditch them in a year if you want. Blowing a first round pick on a garbage QB handcuffs you to them for several seasons.
i know its not yours, a lot of fans were saying the same thing. the way the texans history has gone, watch Carr become a legit starting QB and we passed him up because he is david's little bro LOL and of course he would be out the league in two years, if we did draft him. texans luck :grin:
Btw, Teddy B may have not played well last night, but he also had one of the worst OLine performances I have seen in years. Andrew Luck would have looked like crap. For a rookie last season, without the help of a run game or a great WR, he did very well. Better than what Hoyer can do, at least. PFF graded out Teddy B with a -0.3 score, which is just below average. Given the crap line, that's actually not too bad...yet, a lot better than what we have at QB.
It's still just a pointless move that doesn't help the franchise unless it's for someone better than was available the last 2 drafts. Picking a QB in a high round just to say you picked a QB in a high round is just about the worst thing you could do as a franchise. You might miss on other picks, but it never hurts as badly as missing on a QB.
His O line gave him 5 or 6 seconds to sit around in the pocket on numerous occasions. Teddy didn't read the blitz properly at all last night and he pulled a Keenum by running backwards for a huge loss on blitzes multiple times. He also had no accuracy on passes over 10 yards, which is pretty much par for the course over his career. A good QB would have torn that weak SF defense up. Hell, Hoyer did better against the Chiefs who are a much better defense than what's left of the Niners.
If the Texans were really nailing picks, I'd agree with you...but we have XSF and McKinney as our last two 2nd rounders. I'd much rather have taken Carr or Jimmy G just to see if they could flourish within our system. We wouldn't be any worse off than we are now. In fact, we are worse off because we decided on Hoyer. Again, risk= reward...that's how life works. You don't know what you have until you go for it.
Nope, you're wrong...Teddy was 6/7 for 104 yards on intermediate throws. Again, he graded out at -0.3, which puts him at slightly below average for the night.
Are those passes that were in the air for an intermediate distance, or intermediate gains? He threw a ton of 7 yard passes that had a lot of YAC. Most of his throws beyond that were bad, just like his career numbers show.
Well I did watch DAVID carr get TWO EFFING RINGS with the giants.. although none of that was thanks to him...
I'm prepared mentally for Hoyer to start on Sunday. O'brien opened a can of worms when he took him out of the game, and looked foolish for saying all those nice things about him only to have him play so badly. My gut and O'brien's past experience with Fitz is telling me Hoyer is going to start again, and if the Texans win, Hoyer will start again. What he can't do this weekend is pull out Hoyer, put in Mallett, and then start Hoyer again the next week. If Hoyer does more of the same, which I think he will, he needs to end that experiment, and find out if Mallett can do anything, because the goal should be to find a guy who can be considered the starter for the next few years and be allowed to grow into the position without fear of getting benched. Hoyer is not that guy, Mallett, probably not, but if he doesn't play then how can we tell.
Intermediate passing is considered distance the ball travels in the air. He didn't throw well on deep balls last night (1-5), but his 10-20 yard throws were solid.
I mean, half of the 49ers D is in jail or on the Raiders.. sooooo is that really that great? Side note... were the Vikings trying to make a statement by not using Peterson?
Profootball reference splits into into deep and short. I think they use the NFL definition where deep is 15 yards or more. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201509140sfo.htm Teddy was was 5/10 on deep passes. This isn't abnormal. It's about what Brady was (I think 6/11), and Ben, etc. Romo only threw 1 deep pass according to pro football reference. The 49ers were 0-3. Mariota was 2-2. The Texans were 2-7. The NFL isn't a huge deep passing league these days. The problem, really, was too many deep passes, and of course the interception. Maybe the deep passes were Teddy's doing by ignoring short routes. I'm not sure. You are right that he isn't ever going to be the best deep pass QB. The interception was really bad throw. But that doesn't matter a ton these days. He has enough of an arm to keep defenses honest - again, 5/10 is in line, and that bomb to the end zone was perfect. The o-line WAS horrible. The Vikings coaches should have gotten AP in open space more. More screens, bubbles, etc. One of those misses was a perfect throw to the end zone that was really pass interference. Of course, I assume the 1 completion is the end of half throw that was purposefully well short of the end zone but still a long pass.
Its funny you mention this on the same page that you blame the Viking's lack of a supporting cast on their 1st round pick's performance. You either throw these young QB's in before they're ready... before the team is built... and unless they're super-human and good enough/talented enough to turn the team around all by themselves (only 2 QB's have been that good over the last 20 years, and both were no-doubt #1 picks), you're only going to be shooting themselves in the foot. You want evidence based practice? Look at all the failed first round QB picks by some teams 2-3 times over, and look at the plethora of reasons as to why they failed (team wasn't ready, QB wasn't ready, coaching staff not in place, etc. etc. etc.). Something as VALUABLE as an early round QB pick should not be just treated as "lets throw it against the wall and see if it sticks". There's ample evidence that this approach simply just fails, costs the regime their job, and leads to franchise purgatory (until the "right" QB magically becomes available, more a luck/circumstance/timing issue than anything... something that the Texans are still a candidate for).
