Agreed red, You can't go off of what other teams did. You have to set your own legacy. What works for them might not work for you and your franchise. And being a highly intelligent man, Mr. McNair should know this already.
Against a team with close to zero running game, probably having the worse TE group in the league, only one dimensional air attack and both QB can't run out of the pockets, and the play calling is just a big LOL, you still want to call it an advantage and great strategic move by Bob?
Foles and Bradford may not be the answer and probably have zero chance to be considered to go to HOF, but they are at least QB that can compete. Similar to Eli or Flacco, neither will be considered great QB but somehow both won SB before. That's how the Texans traded for Schuab, he is not Brady nor Manning, but at that time, he still can give you a chance to win, and with the right timing and everything else peaked at the same time and plus some luck, it could happen like what the Raven or Giants did, of course its much more difficult than having Brady, Peyton and Luck but still that's a viable choice. Russell Wilson is far from a great QB, he may not even have a strong arm like Mallet has now, putting him into this current Texans lineup probably will produce a much worse result than what he achieved in Seattle, but that doesn't mean he is not an viable option. Putting Nick Foles in Seattle the last several years and he could win 2 rings also.
BOB's decision should be about the team and the team only. Not about how this looks on his ego or how people will see him. If he learned anything from Belichick it should be that. It makes no sense in standing behind a decision if it means it makes your team worse. It's not fair to his players or his team. In the end BOB will be judged by the team's record. If he made the wrong decision then it means a lot more to people that he realizes that and does his best to fix the problem. Not stubbornly stand behind it because it makes him look better. If his first mistake is starting Hoyer then his 2nd mistake will be standing behind Hoyer. If Hoyer starts and we go on to win then you will not find many complaints from me. Unless he turns it over a few more times and we win in spite of him...
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And expect BOB to cost us another win if that's the case. Light up that burner, his seat needs to start getting hot if he sticks with Hoyer. Kubiak got fired for Schaub, I'm fine with having BOB fired for Hoyer.
You are just assuming Mallet is going to shock the world and be the next Brady and hence Bob must start him. Otherwise, if he sucks like Hoyer or even worse than him, what is Bob going to do? Return back to Hoyer and become the laughing stock of the league? Its easy to be a fan to sitting in a couch to be the coach and GM, while they are actually putting their jobs on the line to make the decisions.
I think some are complaining because the team is trying to sell the fans that the guys they have right now are good enough. Not that you should expect them to say they are mediocre. Yesterday was a good sign that Bill O'Brien admitted, through his actions, that the QB that started the game wasn't good enough.
Also, there is a good chance that he won't have learned anything from that disaster, he might sacrifice yet another game to starting Hoyer.
Where in my post did I assume any such thing? One thing I'm assuming is that if we play Hoyer, we will lose barring some monstrous game from our RBs and our defense. This is not based on one game of play but a history of Hoyer just not being a very successful QB. If Mallet sucks then he sucks. At least you know for certain he sucks going into the next year. The guy is mostly unproven and outside of one game where he tried to play with a torn pec, has been more than solid for us. What if Hoyer continues to play and loses every game he plays for us? Do you think BOB would gain any respect in that scenario? Do you think players like Cushing and Watt will be happy that their coach is stubbornly standing behind a losing option and wasting their mileage as players?
I dont think he's making personnel decisions...but again, he continually states that you dont need an elite QB to win in this league. His mentality and lack of urgency to get this issue fixed...is a problem. Again, every business succeeds or fails based on whats going on at the top. If the top isnt managed properly, the product will not yield great results.
lol. this really isn't worth arguing about. you have got to be the one of the most negative posters on clutch fans. Thought we lost you in the Rockets forum.
And if you don't have much faith in the owner, AND you believe he's really the problem here... you might as well start following another team because the ownership isn't going to change in his or Cal McNair's lifetime. Hell, the Mara's have owned the Giants since their INCEPTION... I wonder if some of their now deceased fans were ever mad at the current owner's grandfather? Likewise, I wonder if in their wills they passed on their anger to their grandsons, who are now mad at the current owner...
Yeah going off of Hoyers track record against elite defenses you're right. We lose against the Panthers for show.
He's not selecting the players and he's trying not to be the owner that gets too involved in the roster decisions. I'm not saying Rick Smith is a good GM and they shouldn't find someone better...but I'm not going to bash the owner because he isn't going to say things in public like "Well, yeah...our current qb's suck and we should find a better one." No one who is a self made billionaire can be considered "mediocre" by any measure.
Hmmm basically saying we will all be deceased before the Texans win a Superbowl. At least our children will witness that grand achievement huh.
Not even just against elite defenses though. People are acting as if yesterday was Hoyer's first game, it's not. Indianapolis had a mediocre to poor defense last year and he had 0 TD's and 2 picks with a 29 QB rating. Atlanta had one of the worst defenses in the NFL last year and he still had 0 TD's and 3 picks with a 52 QB rating. He's simply an awful QB, always has been. Now Mallett isn't some top tier QB, but he's a hell of a lot better than that. He at least gives the team some hope.
I'm fine if it's Hoyer next week. BOB has shown that he has no patience for poor performance, so if (or when) he sucks again, he's out. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt that maybe BOB just sees that he had a bad game. Yes, he's had a whole career of bad games, but I can appreciate BOB sticking with what he's seen under his watch. All of that said, if (or when) Hoyer does stink up the joint, I fully expect a change. If BOB continues to roll with a bad QB, then I'll change my tune a bit.
Bob McNair creates this phantom position for Rick Smith and calls him "GM"...you dont see this as a problem? I can root for the Texans and also think that we'd be better off if McNair grew a sack and became more of an aggressive owner. These two things arent mutually exclusive. Im not calling for a new owner, Im calling for more of an urgency towards winning. Kubiak's tenure was longer than it should have been and Rick Smith should not be going on his 8th or 9th year here. And we shouldnt be avoiding players just because they stole a pack of gum when they were in 6th grade. Its the mentality of the team, the culture of the team...that have us in the position we are currently in. My hope is that OB brings the hard ass mentality to the team, because it lacks everywhere else in the organization. However, if OB is too cocky to take a QB in the early rounds and he feels like he can get by with the likes of Hoyer, then OB should be gone within two years if we arent getting results. However, McNair will probably ride OB out for 6 years before making a decision...and this is the fatal flaw of the franchise...no urgency to win and accepting mediocrity. So no, Im not asking for a new owner, Im asking Bob or Cal to step up and realize that how the franchise has been operating since 2002 just wont cut it.
