Sorry - I was using the era you defined in your previous post (Peyton's debut and on). But that said, what number do you think is reasonable? Outside of once-in-a-generation talents like Manning and Luck, no one is really a sure-fire HOFer in their first 5 or 6 years, so we have no idea what any of the recent draft picks will turn into. So you're taking about 2 sure-fire HOFers debuting in about an 8 year period (2002-2010) along with maybe 1 or 2 of the others turning into one dependng on how their career goes from here (Romo, Rivers, Big Ben are all possibilities). Is that unreasonable? There are only 23 total QBs in the hall of fame, and that covers 70ish years, so that's an average of 1 every 3 years or so. While this is true, a lot of HOF QB's also were sink/swim types and started from day 1. Didn't guys like Marino, Elway, Aikman, etc all get thrown into the fire?
He's the one that cost the Texans the game by starting Hoyer..... Honestly I think it's because he's got a bias at play that is blinding him. When he interviewed for other head coaching jobs before the Texans, he mentioned bringing Hoyer in.....and that's why other teams passed on him. He's just got a thing for that kid. All things equal, I absolutely defer to Bill O'Brien's wisdom, but blinded by bias BOB? Eh, not so much. Sometimes coaches screw up. A coach cost his team a chance at a SB win just last season due to a moronic decision. It happens. I honestly don't care what BOB sees in practice from Hoyer since it hasn't ever shown up in any game scenario. What you do in practice means dick if it doesn't translate to the field that matters. Hoyer literally has never been a good QB at any level, including high school.....why the hell would I, or anyone, think he'd magically become one now?
I was never in favor of Mallet losing his job to injury. He did nothing on the field to make him lose his job. So we find out at 3pm who's the starter now?
Mallet has shown in limited opportunities to be more of a game QB than a practice QB. While Hoyer made the most out of practice opportunities, something has to be said of Mallet closing the gap to 7 by leading 2 scoring drives in two (8/3 points respectively) during a real game. Just wished he would demonstrate a bit more touch, instead of ALWAYS throwing bb's. There was a play yesterday to a wide open tight end, but Mallet led him too far...and the ball got their in a hurry. The 14 points that were gifted to the Chiefs( INT to Peters and FF by Houston) dont happen with Mallet. Mallet throws the ball way too hard, making it unlikely for Peters to snag a bullet pass (the one he got from Hoyer was a duck)... The fumble inside the 20 was yet another gift, primarily because the dude held onto the ball way too long.
That's pure conjecture. A couple of drives against a conservative late-game defense - and against a defense that prepared all week for a different QB - does not translate to what someone would do in a full game.
Aikman? C'mon... I guess we are just working with a different definition of "franchise QB" (especially if you're going to use Aikman as an example). All that being said, id take a 2011 Matt Schaub over anything the Texans have now. If they're willing to overpay for that lesser tiered QB (of which Schaub was a member of... Joining the list of all the other guys I mentioned before), then I don't see what's stopping them. But I thought we all agreed that was a mistake and they should strive for "better".
It wasn't a very conservative defense, they came at him if you go back and rewatch. The game hinged on the 2 drives Hoyer gifted the Chiefs in the red zone. Other than that, our defense did pretty well at keeping them off the scoreboard. Playing a QB that wouldn't have gifted those 2 turnovers would have changed the outcome of the game even if we ignore how much better the offense ran with Mallett over Hoyer.
While I was watching TNF, I remember thinking that all Brady has to do is hit 8-10 yards (short) passes and people call him the GOAT. After watching Hoyer, I understand why making accurate short throws are so important. Him not feeling the pressure and coughing up the ball was also a big red flag. I'm not saying that Mallett won't make any mistakes but we have to give him a shot. If neither QB can protect the ball, we're in for a very long season.
According to you, Big Ben was playing in garbage time putting up worthless stats in a game that was a 7 pt game with 10 minutes to go on Thursday. Yet here, Mallett was playing real football in an 18 pt deficit with 10 minutes to go? Defenses play differently when they are up 18 than they do in a one possession game. KC was never challenged or concerned with losing at the point that Mallett entered the game - we have no idea what the game would have looked like if he started and there is no basis at at all to say we'd be 1-0. You're just continuing your nonsense of weaving whatever absurd story you want to believe.
I don't see how Mallett can't get this next start. Hoyer's interception and fumble were not completely his fault (WR miscommunication and poor blocking), but he was routinely holding onto the ball for too long whereas Mallett was getting it out quickly. Mallett will likely throw more picks and have many more errant passes, but I think the opportunities he gives the offense far outweigh the risks.
It's more likely that we have a better shot at winning game 1 if Mallett starts. That's pretty clear.
I guess you didn't actually watch the defenses they were going up against, did you? If you did, you'd have seen the difference. Anyway, feel free to be a Hoyer apologist for the time being, but eventually you'll just have to admit you were wrong.
That's what I saw. Bringing up Brady again, the commentators specifically mentioned how quickly he gets the ball out. Mallett shows flashes of that. He's quick to get the ball out and he has arm strength. I have not picked sides in this qb competition. I've felt that Hoyer won the job outright. I feel that he lost it yesterday with his abysmal play against a good defense. I don't wanna repeat myself. If BoB is what I think he is, he switches it up and goes with Mallett. If he doesn't, that will be a big flag to me.
Oh, come on... was Mallett going to cover Travis Kelce, too? Let's not overreact to Hoyer's start OR Mallett's finish: I think both are being overblown this morning. The Texans have no running game; their TEs are, at best, pedestrian, and their pass protection was terrible. There are more problems with this team than just the QB. And look, I'm not defending Hoyer by any means - but is this a different game if either of those terrible PI calls go our way? I thought both were blatant and killer non-calls.
You're deflecting; no one is dumb enough to defend Hoyer's performance. It wasn't good. But it's fair to suggest tapping the brakes, with regards to Mallett - yes, the team looked better - after Kansas City starting preparing for Denver. There wasn't a moment of doubt who was winning that game. One team was clearly better than the other.
I couldn't care less about Mallett or Hoyer - my best guess is that they both suck. My problem is with you making up completely unfounded speculation and arguing it as fact. It's amusing to see you slither around in circles everytime your attempts to diminish previous QBs runs counter to your attempts to hype up your favorite QB's.
Other than the 14 points Hoyer gifted the Chiefs, they scored 13 all game long. That was the killer. You can't have a QB that turns the ball over and sets up the other team with first and goal or 1st and 10 in the red zone multiple times a game and still win. Sure the non calls on the two obvious PI's were bad, but it doesn't change the fact that Hoyer's turnovers are the main reason the Texans lost the game. In 54 minutes, he helped the team score 9 points, in less than 5 Mallett helped the team score 11. There's simply no case for Hoyer whatsoever. Like I said, he's never been a really good QB at any level, including high school, why would ANYONE think he'd be one now? Mediocre in high school (tons of picks) Mediocre in College Terrible in the NFL.
Dude, we allowed 1 TD and 2 FG's. The offense and special teams put our defense in vulnerable positions all day long. You're only as good as your QB. Hoyer played poorly no matter how you slice it. From the eye test to stats, he was below average. Fact. People basically want everything gift-wrapped for the QB (see Matt Schaub). That's not how the NFL works. Romo was able to overcome 14 points gifted to NYG. Sure his offensive line protected him but he was down Dez and got average RB play for most of the night.
