It's not like Mallett is perfect but he's just so much better than Hoyer that you have to make that move. Don't sacrifice yet another game simply because you want Hoyer to succeed against all odds. If BOB makes the right call out of camp, the Texans are 1-0 right now.
It's not an excuse; I never would have signed Hoyer, let alone named him the starter. But BOB has done both things so... where do we go? I just don't think he can pull him after a week. 1) again, NFL head coaches don't panic and he's not going to let one game invalidate all that he's seen over the past several weeks; 2) he has sold Hoyer to his team, the fans... I think BOB has to be careful and not too knee-jerk here. Players are watching carefully and a hook this quick... it could hurt BOB in the locker room. Having said that, wait too long (as I think Kubiak eventually did with Schaub) and it could also kill you so... it's atightrope. No easy answer. But you don't expect him to make a decision initially and stick to it?
I don't see it as panicking, you made a bad decision and it cost the team a win. The other QB came in and showed you just how bad your decision really was and turned a 17 point deficit into a 7 point deficit in 2 drives. The absolute worst thing BOB could do would be to sacrifice another game by thinking he's the smartest guy in the room and that despite the obvious evidence to the contrary that Brian Hoyer can be even a passable starting QB in the NFL.
I initially responded to Nick, then deleted it. It read like an incredibly high standard and figured maybe I didn't have the full grasp of the thread's ebbs and flows... 3 sure-fire HoFers (and I'd argue Roethlisberger is a lock, btw) plus a candidate on the path (Luck) plus the QBs you mentioned... And there's a whole second level of still effective QBs beneath those guys (Stafford, EManning, Flacco, Wilson, Newton)... It's a pretty rich QB era.
And you would have franchised Mallet... (Not trying to start a new debate, just trying to lighten up things in here. These are not life/death decisions and nothing is set in stone).
I will be absolutely stunned if he makes a move this week. If Hoyer does it again, then, yeah - I think he'll make a change. *Your* evidence; BOB has infinitely more evidence, including months of practice and studying that everyone is casually pretending doesn't matter. It matters. You are arguing for a guy who, as a 26-year old, overslept and missed a practice; you'd be silly to think that was an isolated incident, given the coded language BOB was using before that ever happened. He doesn't trust Mallett.
From HK I gathered that BOB wasn't willing to entertain a QB change until week 6-8. Him yanking Hoyer after 1 half was a total shocker.
Yes, Nick, if Mallett had gone Nick Foles the final seven games last year, it would have created a variety of options, and franchising Mallett was a viable one. I have no problem standing by a statement I made nearly a year ago in the context with which it was made. I was not alone in kicking those tires. But... he tore a muscle and it was all rendered irrelevant. And it hasn't been mentioned since... well, until your little flaccid gotcha attempt here.
Did I hear correctly this morning; that was protective? He didn't want him getting hit any more? BTW, I didn't watch the preseason.... has Hoyer always been that tiny? He looked like a 12-year old boy.
So you think they should put the team in an 0-2 hole to start the season? That's ridiculous. My evidence has been Brian Hoyer's entire career as a terrible QB along with yesterday's performance that was right in line with everything he's ever done. What matters more, a guy not oversleeping, or a guy capable of running the offense, because it seems you can't have both. You can stick with your guy who looks good playing in shorts without pads playing catch during practice, I'll go with the guy who performs better in games. If there wasn't such a huge gap in performance, maybe I could see your stance as valid, but it was night and day different between Hoyer and Mallett. Nuk went from 30 yards all day to 100 in just 2 drives by Mallett. Mallett helped drop the lead by 10 points in under 5 minutes.....more points than the team scored in the other 54 minutes Hoyer was running things.
Coaches don't think/react like fans... While I think that's a fair criticism, it's obviously not much of a factor with BOB or he never would have signed Hoyer. My guess is he blank-slated both guys with fresh starts. I think demonstrating a modicum of maturity and responsibility is absolutely a pre-requisite for, well, being a professional, and certainly for being a starting QB in the NFL. If you can't get to the practice facility on time - never mind early to put in the extra work - it's fair to have doubts about your commitment. My guy? I have no dog in this fight; I just don't believe BOB is going to yank his hand-picked QB after one bad start. a) you're confusing my speculating on what might happen with my opinion; I'm not defending or stumping for Hoyer - I just don't believe BOB will yank him this quickly; b) I also don't think BOB is dumb enough to let garbage time plays sway his opinion. He's a head coach, not a fan - he's not a moron.
I thought BoB would start Mallett in the second half. That's the kinda guy he is. You saw it on Hard Knocks when he messed up and started doing push-ups. BoB isn't Kubiak. He knows he probably made a mistake on choosing Hoyer. He needs to start the guy that gives them the best chance of winning and that's Mallett. Hoyer was making rookie mistakes. Hoyer is who we thought he was. I thought he could look better in our system but he was making rookie mistakes (stated again for emphasis) and looks nothing more than a backup QB at best.
Jeez relax. Just saying that you tend to get a little dramatic and say crazy stuff in the heat of the moment (and btw, you pretty much validate the lunacy of your statement by using Nick Foles... A QB that the Eagles weren't willing to buy into being a franchise guy). Just like you respected BOB's decision to name Hoyer the starter, you should probably also respect if he decides to make a change. He won't "lose the locker room" because of it... That will likely happen regardless if this team doesn't win or looks outschemed/outprepared.
So, you think 45 minutes changed BOB's opinion? I mean, look... it may have - we'll see. But I'd be very surprised.
This is what I'm banking on. I can't imagine anyone wouldn't be able to see the difference between the two QB's and which one should start. I understand that he might want to stick with "his guy" that he has irrational confidence in, but the tape should show him how foolish that would be. I won't be 100% sold that he isn't a moron if he goes back to Hoyer essentially throwing away yet another game.
I agree with the general sentiment that BOB, like all NFL coaches, is too stubborn to make a change after one game. He will review the tape, claim that the WRs/OL were at fault for some of the mistakes, and give Hoyer another shot. It will be frustrating to the fans -- how many games are we going to lose before you're willing to admit you were wrong?
There was no heat of the moment; if I recall correctly, Major was among those who also understood the validity of the idea - and it was just that: an idea. He had a promising debut and was a pending a free agent... under the context of "what if..." there was nothing crazy about buying a year of your possible franchise QB for further evaluation *if he proved worthy of that consideration.* I stand by that idea. To bring it up now, ripped from that context, is just petty and disingenuous. I don't know if I'd use the term "respect" - patient was probably my mindset, as in let's see if he can do for Hoyer what he did for Fitzpatrick. And, again - I'm not advocating for anything other than my opinion of what BOB will do (which is stick with Hoyer). Do I think that's the right decision?... Well, I probably wouldn't have signed Hoyer in the first place. BUT... his signing Hoyer seems like yet another knock against Mallett so...
I love when fans pretend (or stupidly assume) they know as much as coaches; yes, I'm sure you and BOB are watching the same tapes - and only those tapes. He's wrong/you're right. He's a moron.
I think fans confuse patent for stubborn. Look at the Astros (and I'm guilty, too) - how many Astros would currently be on the bench if AJ Hinch was as knee-jerk and irrational as fans? Gomez, Lowrie - yes, probably Carter... I would be stunned if he only gave Hoyer a single start.
