Black Lives Matter is an honorable movement and is in no way racist

Zimmerman is a criminal lol.

Actually there was a case. Zimmerman wasn't just attacked. It's not like Zimmerman was chilling in the park and Martin attacked him. Come on now.

1.) Yes, if this wasn't a murder case you'd be right. That's how things should go.

2.) Yes, % matter because the argument is that black people are being treated unfairly. If the % was even or close to it then yeah it would make this whole thing seem silly. But they are not.

3.) Mike Brown is the one I can think of that was wrong to jump behind. But one has to admit how the media trickled the information out to the public made it worse. Still, no matter which ones people jump behind there is always a staunch group of opponents who will justify the killing.

BLM may dissipate specifically. I've said that before I'm sure. I'm not behind BLM but I'm behind most of what they fight for or why the slogan was created. Even if it does die something else will take this place. BLM isn't new, the black population has been protesting these issues for a while now.

I can understand where you are coming from. Especially doing nothing or enforcing something that is clearly wrong...

...Unfortunately...many people are sheep. They do what they are told and believe everything that they hear. If Fox news says "You need to have more babies or else Mexicans are going to overrun the country." people nod their heads and get it stuck in their mind that this is happening. They hear it over and over and over and believe it is true. The power of propaganda is something else.

But yeah, there is a very fine line with stereotyping and racism. For example, a well dressed black man gets out of a luxury vehicle. People may think nothing at all about it or "I wonder how he got that?" or the idea that Obama or black people get into colleges based on AA...because I guess they are too stupid to get in on their own merit? That's more racist than harmless stereotyping.

Harmless stereotyping is...well since we are on a NBA forum...picking the black guy for a pick-up game of basketball. Black people eat chicken. White guys can't jump kinda stuff. Or the fact that every or almost every single white basketball player is compared to another white basketball player.

But stereotyping gets racist when it attributes something negative to a race. They are more violent. They are dumber. They are rapists (cough)...so on and so fourth. So I guess if you think about it this way, the line between the two isn't so thin. You make a good point about how these stereotypes can effect in this instance a police doing his job. You're right, it's good to call people out when they think this because I think a lot of people DO have these thoughts subconsciously.

Bias...well that's something else entirely and football is on so I'm out.

 

Yes, initially Lamar was just following the cop's instructions but that quickly changed. He got newer more demonstrative instructions NOT TO reach under his seat and these had to be repeated several times.

I think your suggestion to ask first where the license is kept is a good one. When reaching inside a glove box, the hand is usually visible to the officer and can hardly be a weapon against him, unlike pulling something out from under the bucket seat.

Your own racist mindset is coming out if you think that this, or any, cop would only be concerned about a stranger in a speeding car reaching under his seat. I can't speak to the pecking order with which rowdies are treated because I just don't go there. I spend time with my family and on my kids.

 

You are a piece of work.

Lathon had to be asked 3 times and you call that following directions. You sound like getting rowdy enough for the police to get called or getting in to a fight at a sporting event is perfectly normal. You've got warped values

 

Well Zimmerman has broken the law before the Martin case, and he has broken the law after it, so in that sense he's a criminal. That said, he didn't break the law with respect to the Martin case.

Martin was a moron who chose to go attack someone rather than go inside his house and call the cops. As such he's got his Darwin award. When you decide to attack someone, you give that person a right to shoot your ass in some states, Florida being one of those states.

I don't have sympathy for either of them to be honest. They were both assholes, when assholes meet, bad things happen.

 

you can't be racist against a "cop" by the way. Cops aren't a race.

I don't have a problem with a cop telling a black man not to reach under his seat after he told him to retrieve his license that was under his seat. But it's clear that the cop came very close to pointing that gun at him ready to pull the trigger. The passenger is trying to do what the cop asks but it is confusing when you get conflicting sets of instructions.

 

People get confused and when you are told to do one thing that seems casual and simple and then all of a sudden someone is yelling excitedly you may not quite get what the issue is. And that is what Lathon's state was. The cop responded by pulling a gun and pointing it at him. That's very scary.

It's a misunderstanding, and it's not anyone's fault. But in that situation the cop can do a lot more to be less hostile before it gets to that point. The driver is obviously unhappy he is pulled over. Most people are. A cop can respond and be more polite. Just because you have a gun doens't mean you have to be a dick to people and treat them like dirt.

But to you, if someone is black, it's ok to treat them like dirt. Because they are criminals. Lathon isn't a criminal buddy, he's just guy who was speeding like so many other people. Cops should treat people with respect and maybe others will treat them with respect.

 

They were your words: "If Police are nervous about black people they shouldn't ask for their license and registration."

How can you assert that something that did not happen is close to happening, not to mention predicting with certainty the next likely action?

All you have to say is this: "Officer, my Driver's License is stored under my seat. How would you like me to proceed?"

 

There you go again crying wolf (calling someone a racist) to try to make a weak point.

The only real problem I have with Lathon were his false statements afterward. It was his own fault the officer drew the weapon. I have a non-verbal Autistic son and I have been pulled over with him in the car a couple of times. The first thing I do is make sure the officer understands that my son's condition may cause him to flail about and make sudden movements. Why? Because I don't want the officer to fear for his safety and draw his gun. I don't want my son to be shot.

Lathon is a grown ass man who should know that reaching under your seat is a no no in that situation. If you argue that, you are being purposely dishonest. Quit making excuses for poor choices. Lathon made a mistake reaching under his seat without announcing why to the officer.

 

That's called taking out of context. My words were simply that the police can ask where their drivers licence is if they don't want someone reaching into a pocket or a glovebox or whatever. Don't give confusing orders. Police have to understand that they have the weapon and power to someone who is defenseless and trying to follow their orders.

Only person crying is you. I am attacking. Do you understand the difference? Yes you are a racist. Lathon is obnoxious but he is not a criminal. Just because he is black doesn't mean a cop should treat him like one.

That's the problem. If he were white I bet you 1,000 that cop never draws his gun on him.

 

Well if you are attacking, you are putting up one weak ass attack. Ask any cop on here what happens if someone continues to reach under the seat after being warned not too. That's not even debatable.

There's no damn way you are this stupid. This has to be an act.

 

How is this about race? The only one that turned this into a race thing is Lathom.

If a cop repeatedly has to tell you to stop reaching under your seat and you keep on ignoring his commands, they will draw their gun on you regardless of race.

 

Of course you fail to mention that Zimmerman was acting on racial bias when he decided to chase down martin for being a black guy with a hoodie.

 

I'm only saying that the trigger for a cop to pull their gun on a black guy is shorter than on a white guy.

The cop asks him for his drivers license and when he reaches for it the cop starts yelling at him. I understand that is scary for a cop. But then a cop shouldn't give a command that will cause someone to do something like that. If a cop tells you to do x you comply. When you then get told to do the opposite as you start doing what you are asked that's very confusing and scary when the cop is escalating the situation. The driver had no reason to think he was doing anything wrong because he wasn't. He was just innocently getting his DL.

I can see both perspectives and that is why I say the issue is the cop should have first asked where he keeps his driver's license. A guy almost got shot because of the confusion. And that's not right.

 

That may be true, but the bigger factor is shorter means little when the gun goes off. And too often, it goes off. Here is another recent case in the Houston area.

Spoiler

 

That may be true for other cops/situations but not for this instance.

How many people keep their license/registration under their seats? I would think that if I was a cop and asked for your license/registration you would pull it out of your back pocket, center arm rest, or glove box, not under your seat. I can see your point of view if that was the case but he was reaching under his seat.

The report also said the officer holstered his gun after Lathon put his hands up. Doesn't seem to me that him pulling his gun was based off of race but rather off of a person refusing to stop an action that to the officer seemed suspicious.

 

That's a baseless assumption. One could also make the assumption that Martin was acting on racial hatred when he decided to chase down Zimmerman and assault him rather than going inside his house.

These kinds of assumptions don't further the conversation though, so it's probably best if we move on.

 

Yes getting out of your car to chase a teenager walking down the street with skittles and a hoodie and who is black is as racial as a teenager running from a scary dude and then deciding to turnaround and fight.

Yeah both are exactly the same.

 

And that would be a good procedural change. However you said "if police are afraid of black people..." I think late at night you would be cautious of anyone bending over to reach under the seat no matter the race. I've seen too much video, too, of white goes going off on cops.

I have a couple of friends who are cops and they post those kinds of things on FB all the time to show what their brothers and sisters "in law" go through.

 

Zimmerman did not even identify a racial characteristic until the operator asked him to. Did you forget about that skilled editing to help us all get to "the truth" more quickly?

 

That doesn't mean anything. He also didn't listen to the operators instruction not to follow him.