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Fiers or Musgrove

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by jim1961, May 23, 2017.

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Which guy needs to go?

Poll closed Jul 22, 2017.

  1. Fiers

    14 vote(s)
    63.6%

  2. Musgrove

    6 vote(s)
    27.3%

  3. Niether

    2 vote(s)
    9.1%
  1. jim1961

    jim1961 Member

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    Glancing at the stats of each, good arguments could be made for getting rid of either. Both guys suffer in the early innings, but at least Fiers gets better as the game rolls on where Musgrove doesnt.


    Fiers:
    http://www.espn.com/mlb/player/splits/_/id/30773/mike-fiers

    By Inning / Pitches

    --------------------AVG OBP SLG OPS
    Pitches 1-15 .356 .396 .733 1.129
    Pitches 16-30 .293 .370 .707 1.077
    Pitches 31-45 .231 .298 .596 .894
    Pitches 46-60 .138 .219 .276 .495

    Musgrove:
    http://www.espn.com/mlb/player/splits/_/id/34848/joe-musgrove

    By Inning / Pitches

    ------------------- AVG OBP SLG OPS
    Pitches 1-15 .306 .333 .551 .884
    Pitches 16-30 .306 .364 .531 .894
    Pitches 31-45 .283 .361 .472 .832
    Pitches 46-60 .345 .424 .483 .907
     
    #1 jim1961, May 23, 2017
  2. mightybosstone

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    Musgrove is also only 24 years old and has legitimate long-term potential. Fiers is 31, and the guy has given up 17 home runs in only eight starts. We know what we have in Fiers, and it isn't very good. We don't really have a large enough sample size on Musgrove yet.
     
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  3. Grydian

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    Lets move the guy who is leading the league in giving up home runs. I think peacock needs to start in place of Fiers.
     
    #3 Grydian, May 23, 2017
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    #4 J.R., May 23, 2017
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    Past Calendar Year
    Name_________K/9_BB/9_HR/9 _______ERA FIP xFIP WAR
    Joe Musgrove 7.64__2.74__1.50_______4.74_4.58_4.24__0.9
    Mike Fiers____7.53__2.89__1.92_______4.70_5.30_4.41__0.4

    Looks close. Musgrove has a smaller HR problem and a smaller fly ball problem. If Astros replaced one in rotation from someone outside active roster, it would likely be Musgrove as they could send him to AAA...unless Fiers was agreeable to getting "injured". If it is Peacock, I expect it would be Fiers to the pen.
     
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  6. jim1961

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    That would be nice, but I am trying to be realistic. Moving both would require 2 better arms coming in. Hard to see unless McHugh can contribute.

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  7. jim1961

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    Age is an important point. Also, Fiers costs more $$$. About 3M more.
     
    #7 jim1961, May 23, 2017
  8. kaleidosky

    kaleidosky Your Tweety Bird dance just cost us a run

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    Peacock has earned another start.

    Fiers pitched better last time out than Musgrove, but Musgrove has been better on the season. I'd drop Musgrove to the 'pen and have him relieve Morton/Peacock/Fiers (whoever needs it the most next) soon, and give Fiers 1-2 starts to show that last time was real improvement. Can always swap him and Musgrove after that if it makes sense
     
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  9. Snake Diggit

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    No way Musgrove goes to the pen. If I'm GM, I move Musgrove to AAA; its likely they will trade from their upper levels pitching (possibly even Musgrove) to acquire a ToR SP so they will need depth in AAA. Judging from Musgroves post game comments his confidence is shaken, which is almost always a precursor to getting sent down. Fiers can hold things down until they make that trade or McHugh returns, then he can be a long reliever.
     
    #9 Snake Diggit, May 23, 2017
  10. juicystream

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    Musgrove certainly has shown better stuff and has more potential. Of course Fiers is more proven and he can't continue to give up HRs at this rate (you'd think at least).
     
    #10 juicystream, May 23, 2017
  11. raining threes

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    Musgrove/Martes/Reed/Fisher would be my trade proposal for Cole.

    Musgrove needs to be sent down so he can work on his location within the strike zone.

    If this happens and Musgrove isn't traded then if he improves Musgrove will be a factor after the all star break.
     
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  12. Major

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    Fiers seems like the perfect guy to bring in as a reliever only with people on base, since he's outstanding outside of solo HRs. ;)
     
    #12 Major, May 23, 2017
  13. dmoneybangbang

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    Why would we move Musgrove? This is only his second season in the big league and up to this point has pitched a total of 108 innings in the majors. Move him to AAA? Sure, but unless he's part of a larger trade to get a good starter then he has shown he has good stuff and potential to further develop.
     
    #13 dmoneybangbang, May 23, 2017
  14. bloodwings19

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    Fiers has no trade value, Musgrove does, so I'd keep Musgrove for seasoning and potential to trade for grade A starter.
     
    #14 bloodwings19, May 23, 2017
  15. jim1961

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    What I meant was moving out of the starting rotation. Not necessarily moving them off the team. In the case of Fiers, waivers might be the only recourse. 25 man roster spots are pretty valuable. More so than his $3M salary.

    So far, it seems there is pretty high approval for replacing Fiers with Peacock. That might be all that is warranted for the time being. If/when McHugh returns might warrant another move.
     
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  16. dmoneybangbang

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    Ah that makes more sense. I was just baffled since Musgrove is a young guy with some good stuff who maybe needs some more polish in AAA.
     
    #16 dmoneybangbang, May 23, 2017
  17. Coach Flip

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    Average Joes must go. If I'm not mistaken, Fiers' last 2 outings were very strong, but he got no run support.
     
    #17 Coach Flip, May 24, 2017
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