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[Memphis C-A] Griz eye Stoudamire, Jason Williams maybe to Miami?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Yaowaming, Jul 31, 2005.

  1. Yaowaming

    Yaowaming Contributing Member

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    Wow!!! Jason Williams heads to Miami????? Good to hear from West that Stoudamire not the only one they interest in!!!!!

    http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/grizzlies/article/0,1426,MCA_475_3967043,00.html

    Griz eye Stoudamire
    With Williams likely on way out, team seeking replacement

    By Ronald Tillery
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    July 31, 2005

    If everything goes according to the Grizzlies' summer plan, Jason Williams no longer will be their main man.

    The point guard is close to being traded in a three-team deal that would include Miami, according to an NBA source familiar with the Grizzlies' dealings. It is not known where Williams would land in the proposed deal.

    Griz president Jerry West already has Williams's replacement in the starting lineup on the radar.

    Although Damon Stoudamire is atop the Grizzlies' wish list, West downplayed a Houston Chronicle report that the Griz and Stoudamire have agreed on a four-year, $17 million contract.

    "We have interest," West said Saturday. "We're exploring a lot of options, and he's not the only one. We have interest in a lot of people."


    West has aggressively shopped Williams and is prepared to lose Earl Watson after agreeing to trade Bonzi Wells and watching Stromile Swift sign a free-agent deal with Houston.

    The Griz intend to send Wells to Sacramento and receive veteran guard Bobby Jackson (along with three players from Utah) when the league's moratorium ends this week.

    Undoubtedly, the Griz would have to move Williams and the more than $25 million left on his contract before signing Stoudamire. If not, they risk having to pay the league's luxury tax.

    Stoudamire's agent, Aaron Goodwin, confirmed that he began discussing a potential deal with the Grizzlies once negotiations with the Houston Rockets fell apart.

    "But it's just conversation at this point," Goodwin said when asked about a reported Grizzly contract that would start at less than the midlevel exception or about $4 million.

    Stoudamire, 31, played for Portland last season, and averaged 15.8 points and 5.7 assists. He would add leadership and clutch play to a Grizzlies team that is lacking in those areas.

    A Grizzly insider also confirmed that the team has stepped up its intent to do more than tweak the roster. The consensus after recent internal discussions is that the Grizzlies' roster of the past two seasons went as far as it could in the Western Conference standings.

    The goal is to improve while remaining a playoff team that doesn't pay the luxury tax. The Griz want to create financial flexibility moving forward as they consider potential deals.

    -- Ronald Tillery: 529-2353
     
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  2. EgRiFf08

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    Jason Williams Close To Being Traded?-And are the Rockets Involved??

    Jason Williams Close To Being Traded?-And are the Rockets Involved??

    This just in...
    Jason Williams is close to being traded in a three-team deal that would include Miami, according to an NBA source familiar with the Grizzlies' dealings. It is not known where Williams would land in the proposed deal.

    Griz president Jerry West already has Williams's replacement in the starting lineup on the radar.

    Although Damon Stoudamire is atop the Grizzlies' wish list, West downplayed a Houston Chronicle report that the Griz and Stoudamire have agreed on a four-year, $17 million contract.

    "We have interest," West said Saturday. "We're exploring a lot of options, and he's not the only one. We have interest in a lot of people."

    Can Rockets be the 3rd team possibly recieving Jayson Williams, because he sure as heck does not fit in Miami, and the article does hint about the Rockets need at Point Guard. Any one have further details on the mystery 3rd team?
     
  3. bob718

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    Unlikely. Why would Grizzlies help Rockets(same division) build a better team?
     
  4. thumbs

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    Perhaps the Grizz think J-Will would hurt the Rockets while simultaneously taking them out of L-tax land. Afterall, they don't think J-Will can help them, and they obviously view Damon Stoudemire as an upgrade. Perhaps familiarity does breed contempt. However, I trust the Rockets to make the right decision -- even if I still don't understand or agree with their draft choice.
     
  5. gucci888

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    Like Thumbs said, getting JWill might not make us a better team, it definitely won't help our cap situation.
     
  6. thumbs

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    But then acquiring J-Will might make us a better team and, with the right trade, it might leave us in the same cap situation as before. Like I said, I trust the Rockets management to make the right decision ... just dancin' on the fence (lol).
     
  7. m_cable

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    Rumor is that the teams involved are Miami, Boston and Memphis, with J-will going to the Celts, Walker going to the Heat and ? headed to the Grizz. Only saw it on a couple of bball rumor sites, but it makes more sense than houston.
     
  8. blazer_ben

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    J-Will to Boston, Walker to heat and Blount to Memphis?...If this Were to happen you would think the Grizz have a point guard linedup besides Bo-Jax.
     
  9. xiki

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    Who from Heat?
     
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    Doleac and spare change. Talent-wise, the Grizz come out on the short end of this supposed 3-way but they must get ride of J-Will at all costs, preferably to an EC team. They are backed into a corner.
     
  11. redgoose

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    I'd take Williams over our PG's. He doesn't seem to poular on this board for some reason. However, West got him playing the right way and he's another young and athletic guy that would fit the new team profile.
     
  12. ceonwuka

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    I dont understand this trade at all for any of the teams involved xcet maybe the grizzleis who want to rid themselves of J-Will.

    Yea Miami gets Walker, but they have Haslem and drafted Simien. And Marc Blount's contract is pretty terrible. He's not even Olowokandi.

    Why do the C's want J-Will? I think in that environment (him being the elder statesman) he might hinder the developement of some of their youngsters (Allen, Jerrferson, Green, West, Banks)

    If Memphis wants to get better, they would be better served acquiring a legit star (Francis or Pierce or whoever else could be available by the deadline) for some of their depth.
     
  13. Pat

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    So far we have added one new player, and one draft pick, but neither is a proven commodity. Hardly a new team profile. It is only on this board where people want to completely revamp a 50 win team.
     
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    Interesting Question?...EJ?..not sure!
     
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    I do not think we remain a 50 win team if we stand pat.A 35 year old Wesley gave us nothing in the playoffs, and we have a 2 guard in Sura and a 2 guard in Mike James at the point. We need to add a playmaker. We do do not need to big scale revamp, but fine tune and upgrade.
     
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    Still No Point, Or Is There?
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    By Eric Pincus
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    Jul 31, 2005, 23:08


    Jason Williams?
    With that in mind, Sam Amico of Pro Basketball News is reporting that the Lakers may be "actively pursuing a trade for Memphis point guard Jason Williams." The need LA has for a one is undeniable and Williams may be the best available at that position. His salary runs through 2008, making nearly $9 million in his final season.

    Would that be a risk the Lakers are willing to take?

    Numerous sources say it is, though there is no consensus that Amico's report is correct. Contacts through the Grizzlies have told me that the Lakers have expressed interest in Williams along with Earl Watson and Lorenzen Wright. Watson is considered extremely unlikely since he's looking for a five-year deal and that is beyond the scope the Lakers would consider.

    Although the details of Grizzlies' rumor are unclear, some have suggested it's a three team trade sending Wright to the Miami Heat with pieces (Michael Doleac, Devean George and others) to Memphis. A number of conflicting reports, including one from ***************, say that Williams is indeed leaving Memphis as part of a three-team trade but to the Boston Celtics.

    If the cost for LA are players like George, Slava Medvedenko and/or Vlade Divac, Williams would be a a solid acquisition, though the Lakers would need to have a defensive stopper off the bench at the point. Laker Coach Phil Jackson would have a yet another player with a questionable reputation (along with Kwame Brown), but if the franchise is willing to take on the challenge, then it could be another bold move to improve a team coming off a 34-win season.

    Other Point Guards
    My inbox has been filled with a barrage of questions regarding the Lakers and their point guard position. From what I've heard, Jeff McInnis offered to come to the Lakers on a two-year deal. LA wasn't interested. Gary Payton and Damon Stoudamire expressed interest as well. With Payton, the answer was thanks, but no thanks. Stoudamire and Juan Dixon were considered on some level, but ultimately neither was considered a priority.

    The Lakers would have loved to have gotten Joe Johnson, Larry Hughes or Ray Allen, but were never in the running due to salary cap limitations. Jason Hart is rumored to be on the block from the Charlotte Bobcats (to the Sacramento Kings), but the Lakers are looking for a more established player.

    With TJ Ford healthy, Mo Williams is on the Laker radar, but it's not clear if the Milwaukee Bucks are willing to move their primary back up until Ford is proven sound on the court (or the Bucks can acquire another point behind Ford).

    Speaking of the Bucks, here's an idea . . . Desmond Mason and filler (possibly Mo Williams) to the Utah Jazz for Carlos Boozer. Just speculating . . .

    From the Cavaliers, Eric Snow's contract runs too long. He's an ideal fit for the triangle despite his lack of a three-point shot.

    Marcus Banks made sense last year and LA could use his defensive spark off the bench, but he's not a obvious triangle fit.

    Marko Jaric is looking for too many years, he's out of the running. Dan Dickau is still a possibility, though I haven't gotten a feel for the Lakers' take on Dickau yet.

    If the Lakers could acquire Jamal Crawford from the New York Knicks, they'd likely jump at the opportunity. Never count the Knicks out of any trade . . . they seem to make counter-intuitive personnel decisions.

    The Lakers don't want Steve Francis. Before trading Caron Butler, they were said to have gotten two calls from the Orlando Magic offering Francis, but were rebuffed by the Lakers who were looking for size at the time. Although talented, he isn't considered a good fit next to Kobe Bryant and Lamar Odom.

    Jason Kidd isn't being offered to LA . . . and the Lakers aren't interested in his salary.

    With the Indiana Pacers agreeing to terms with Sarunas Jasikevicius, there's a reasonable chance the Lakers consider at Anthony Johnson. His contract runs to 2008 but is just under $3 million. Perhaps as part of a bigger deal (whispers that LA is still on the Jonathan Bender hunt) . . . though he doesn't seem like a player LA risks their 2007 cap position over.

    Rafer Alston is reportedly on the block, but he doesn't fit the triangle well and has too many years left on his contract. Mike James from the Rockets would be a great fit, but there doesn't seem to be any reason why Houston makes a deal to help the Lakers.

    The one point guard the Lakers do seem likely to land is Tyronn Lue. He'd come on board as the back up point . . . although if LA strikes out in all other pursuits, he could be the starter. The Atlanta Hawks may make a push to keep him, but I'm told that he's the Lakers to refuse.

    Finally, don't expect Nick Van Exel to return to LA if waived by the Portland Trail Blazers.

    The Amnesty
    The "Allan Houston Exception" which provides a one time luxury tax amnesty for a single player has been given a deadline of August 15. Each team can waive a single player, but that contract will still count against the salary cap and the player must be paid. The player must also have been on the team as of June 21, preventing teams from trading for a more candidate to waive.

    It is expected that the Lakers will use their amnesty on Brian Grant. Unless LA finds a willing trade partner, which is highly unlikely, Grant will end up a free agent. It does not seem likely that the Lakers keep him on for the year despite their need for size in the front court. It is speculated that Grant will return to one of his former teams (the Blazers or Heat).

    Currently the Laker payroll is near $70 million prior to LA spending their MLE. If the club hits $75 million, Grant's waived contract could save $14 million in luxury taxes. Hard to pass up on savings like that . . .

    As far as other amnesty victims, it's still not clear how aggressive teams will be to use the exception. Some predict there won't be much of a splash at all. If a team isn't in the luxury tax threshold this year, they may look to trade unwanted players in a year or so, since the amnesty wouldn't provide them any immediate fiscal benefit.

    Expect the Celtics to use the exception on Vin Baker's previously bought-out contract. Bakers may be the only player who gets "Houstoned" by more than one team . . . he could be the guy the Rockets shed if they need to save a few million dollars.

    The Grizzlies are looking to trade Lorenzen Wright but he could save them a significant amount if waived ($7.7 million). There is no indication out of Memphis that they plan to do so . . . in fact Wright may be traded by week's end. Raul Lopez, recently acquired from the Utah Jazz, is expected to leave the NBA via buy-out and could end up a small amnesty cut for the Grizzlies.

    Depending on the rest of their off-season, the Miami Heat are not far enough above the threshold to save enough by waiving Eddie Jones. New York is expected to use the Allan Houston Exception on Allan Houston. Makes sense . . .

    The Orlando Magic are expected to cut Doug Christie but it doesn't sound like he'd consider playing for the Lakers (Sacramento or Seattle are rumored to be on his list).

    Michael Finley of Dallas Mavericks is on the block, but if he's not traded and gets the cut, there are a number of teams ahead of LA. Finley wouldn't seem like a good fit as the point guard in the triangle anyway, he doesn't possess the ball handing skills needed for the job.

    New Jersey may cut a small salary like Ron Mercer. The Pacers are likely to axe Austin Croshere . . . who incidentally may be on the Laker list once he's available. If LA can find suitors for Slava Medvedenko and even Brian Cook in trade, Croshere provides a more experienced shooter backing up the power forward position.

    Although LA would love to land Jalen Rose off waivers, the Raptors will use the amnesty on Alonzo Mourning's buy-out. Toronto isn't quite in luxury tax territory anyway, so if LA wants Rose, they'd have to trade for him. Unless the Raptors take Brian Grant and the Lakers take additional bad contracts from Toronto, that's probably a dead-end.

    One player the Lakers would aggressively pursue is Chris Webber. On face value, he seems an obvious cut since Philadelphia has a team payroll of near $80 million. Lopping off Webber's $19 million would put the team right at the luxury tax level . . . which would seem like too much money for any team to responsibly pass on.

    Looking a little more closely at the Sixers roster, Jamal Mashburn is expected to retire with his contract coming off the books during the season. That drops Philly's total salaries to near $70 million. Though they would save a little more by waiving Webber, Aaron McKie gives the team enough of a break with his $6 million salary. They'll still pay some tax, but roughly $3 million.

    Don't expect Webber to be cut . . .

    Finally, the Portland Trail Blazers are not yet over the tax threshold (assuming they cut Nick Van Exel's non-guaranteed contract). Still, they may add additional salary over with a $5 million trade exception attained via the Shareef Abdur-Rahim trade to New Jersey. Word is the team was close to buying out Derek Anderson last season before any word of the amnesty exception was heard. With the acquisition of Juan Dixon, some say the writing is on the wall and Anderson is a near lock.

    Sources say that the Lakers would be the front runner for Anderson's services. He would be a natural fit in the triangle offense at either guard spot and is the fallback plan for starting point guard. Anderson is said to have other suitors including the Houston Rockets, but there is a good chance he ends up a Laker.

    Keep in mind that nothing is a lock these days . . . Anderson may not even get the cut.

    The remaining teams aren't above the luxury tax threshold and thus aren't expected to use the amnesty. Free agency and trades could change the picture but all must be decided by August 15.

    Cap Space in 2007
    If the rumors are true, Joe Johnson is indeed on his way to the Atlanta Hawks in trade. The point is . . . free agency is unpredictable. Those disparaging the Lakers for their cap space aspirations in 2007 may be pre-judging the situation.

    Potential unrestricted free agents like Yao Ming and Amare Stoudemire may indeed stick with their own clubs, but cap space would give the Lakers many different options beyond the big two.

    Here are some unrestricted free agents in 2007 (assuming extensions are not signed):

    Desmond Mason, Paul Pierce (player option), Jamaal Magloire, Peja Stojakovic (though he may opt out one year earlier), Mike Bibby (player option), Grant Hill, Dirk Nowitzki (player option), Nene, Vince Carter (player option), Chauncey Billups (player option), Jalen Rose, Mike James, Fred Jones, Chris Webber (player option), Drew Gooden, Chris Wilcox, Tashaun Prince, Mike Dunleavy and even Caron Butler.

    With Joe Johnson in mind, there are a number of restricted free agents in 2007 who could be targets:

    Kirk Hinrich, TJ Ford, Marcus Banks, Chris Kaman, Josh Smith, Dwyane Wade, LeBron James, Mike Sweetney, Josh Howard, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, Nick Collison, Luke Ridnour, Mickael Pietrus and Jarvis Hayes.
     
  17. NIKEstrad

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    We've made exactly two additions: the most athletic point guard in the draft and one of the best athletes at the 4/5 in the league.

    New team profile or not, it was CD's stated (and so far, achieved) goal to make this team more athletic. Regardless of whether they play, we have legit athletes at our disposal - something we didn't really have outside TMac last year.

    As for Williams...he's quick, but no quicker than Stoudamire. If they just want to unload him for expiring deals, sure, but other than that, no thanks.

    If the Grizz trade Williams for Mark Blount...ouch. He signed a 6 year 38.5 million dollar deal last year...that's not helping their cap situation, and would be more than we're paying for Swift.

    ceon- Haslem is a free agent and may be looking for close to the same money Walker ends up with.

    As for the Celtics, Gary Payton has been uncharacteristically quiet this offseason. Haven't really heard a peep from him, which is just odd for him. If they get Williams, Payton is more than likely gone, too.
     
  18. Desert Scar

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    Strongly disagree. We don't need a playmaker at the 1, we have playmakers in Yao and Tmac. Defense, knock down the open 3, and avoid TOs--those are the priorities. If they happen to have some playmaking abilities or help the running game on top of many of those other qualities (like Stoud), great, but not to the detriment to the others. I would much rather have Sura/James handle the PG duties than an even more incosistent shooter and unpredictable player (J Will), particularly one with an ugly contract.

    If Stoud is off the table we should focus on a swingman more than another PG. The FA 1s who could help, Watson, Jaric, Jones, etc., just are not close to attainable with what we have to work with. We have a better chance for a fyler SG/SF that woud help at this point.
     
  19. jopatmc

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    Let's just get that swingman and a PG all at one time. S&T DS and Miles for our expirings, a pick, and any combination of Howard, Sura, James.......whatever lights Portland's fire.

    DS
    TMac
    Miles
    Yao
    Swift

    Sura/James/Head......whatever is left....hopefully Sura
    JB
    Bowen
    Deke
    Howard

    Baxter
    Glover
     
  20. ceonwuka

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    NIKE- I believe Haslem agreed to return to the Heat..... I'll look for the article and post it here when I find it.

    I wouldnt mind giving up Howard, but there has to be a plan for a replacement. Either Songaila with LLE or expirings + picks for PJ Brown
     

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