Hi, I can not claim myself as a NBA expert but here are something that I think I might be right. I think there are some problems in JVG’s substitution pattern. Last night, when Yao had a hot hand in early 3rd quarter and NY could not find a way to stop him, it was JVG to replace him with Deko… and then he rested TMAC and Yao together way too long until NY got very close (Did not you think he put them back too late?) and it was very hard for TMAC and Yao to find their touch back quickly. I understood that our stars need some rest, but should not we sub them when they could not find their touches and maximize their productivity when they are in a hot tempo? My 2 cents…
I completely agree. I timed Yao's rest time, and it was a full 18 minutes before he got back in the game. Sure he needs rest, but after that long it's hard to pick up where you left off...basically like starting over again.
Here I am destroying my low post total. But I have a question about the rotations too. As far as I can tell, Yao Ming's rotation is such: at 4:00 left in the first quarter out at 10:00 left in the second quarter in at 4:00 left in the third quarter out at 10:00 left in the fourth quarter in Does anyone know Tracy's? It seems like to me that I don'r remember seeing tracy at the start of the second and fourth quarters. The one thing I don't like about this rotation is that I would prefer that Yao starts the fourth quarter and comes out somewhere in between for his rest. Maybe at the 8:00 mark and back in at the 6:00. It seems like we always end up getting into trouble at the start of the 4th quarter. At least that when teams have been making their run. And right now Yao is a big part of our offense. Without him in there or Tracy, teams make runs on us, not because the defense is lacking but because we can't score back. Essentially we have to shut the other team down as we have already shut ourself down.
I'm a little confused by this one as Yao played 33 minutes which means that in order for him to ret 18 the game would have had to last 51 minutes... Yao never rested more than 8 minutes at the most at any one time. Did you mean 8 instead of 18?
Sometimes it goes all the way to about 8 min in the 2nd and 4th qrtr. The thing is, Ive said this before. Yao gets tired really quickly, but he also recovers quickly from what Ive seen. Last night there was no excuse for what JVG did. Yao went out at 8 minutes, there was a timeout called in the 3rd qrtr which gave another 1:30-2 min. Then the switch Qrtrs. Yao SHOULDVE been in to start the 4th!
Bottom line: Yao or T-mac need to be in the game. Taking both of them out at the same time is clearly a BAD IDEA.
Why rest both Yao and TMac at the beginning of 4th when we were up at 11? New York made a 9-0 run in less than 2 minutes and our momentum was gone by then. Why everytime we had a 11 or 12 point lead in the 4th quarter I had to worry that JVG's substitution pattern might screw up big time?
That's exactly what I was thinking last night. We're great when both of them are in (well most of the time), good when one of them is in, and I can't bare to imagine words that describe us when neither of them is in unless Mo/Juwan is having a big game. Pugs
I believe TMac was subbed near the end of the 1st and 3rd quarters, and brought back in early in the 2nd and 4th quarters. JVG should definitely always have either Yao or TMac in the game, especially in the 2nd half. He should bring in Yao when McGrady rests, and when McGrady comes back in, rest Yao for 2 minutes, and then play both at the end of the quarter.
Either TMac or Yao should always be on the floor. Phil Jackson did the same with Kobe and Shaq. THe only time they should both be sitting down is in the case of file trouble. We dont have a player on our bench that can create for other players bottom line.
my brother is a huge Knicks fan and I questioned him about this durring the Memphis game last week, why JVG would sit Yao and T-Mac durring the end of the 3rd and start of the 4th. He said: "He did that in New York too. Sits the stud players at the end of the third until about 9-10 minutes in the 4th to give them a longer break. Lets the rest a little longer and then they do not have to get a breather down the stretch or waist a time out to get them a breather either." I don't know if that helps at all, but I think that does make some sense.
It goes to show how inflexible JVG is when coaching two totally different teams. You can't apply the same strategy to both teams because both teams have different personnel with different skill sets.
Remember this site? http://popcornmachine.net I always thought it to be handy when discussing substitutions.
Yeah, it doesn't take a genius to realize that without either T-Mac or Yao on the floor, the offense is non-existant. Watching the first two minutes of the fourth quarter was painful. Are we really expecting any of these people to score? One of them should always be on the court. It's painful to even say it because it's so obvious to everyone but Jeff Van Gundy.
Why? Why? Simple, guys. JVG has too much love for his old NY team. He wanted them to win. NBA should check with the Vegas to see that if Van Grumpy has had any money on his old team. Hahahaha...
I just don't get why he would rest BOTH of them at the same time. Without either one on the court we have no scoring rhythm... At least one should be on the court at all times.
