The False Analogy of Sexual Orientation and Race

[padgett316]

A day doesn't pass without some leftist activist attempting to analogize the historically tragic battle of blacks in America to the current 'struggle' of gays in America.

I was listening to John and Lance on 610 this morning discussing the Bravo network's latest and greatest version of queer reality TV where a girl dates a bunch of guys, some of whom are straight and some of whom are gay pretending to be straight, and the gay guy 'wins' a pot of $ if he fools the girl into thinking he's straight.

It seems to me that if there was a credible gay community, they would be outraged by these people and these shows. Somehow I doubt that blacks or any legitimate minority (or majority, for that matter) class of Americans would permit members of its class to parade themselves on national TV and pretend 'not to be black', etc. I don't know how gays ever expect to get any respect when they attempt to impose their form of 'justice' on America by encouraging law-breaking mayors and justices to create illegal law and when their own continue to make their 'cause' all the more ridiculous by mocking on TV.

[MacBeth]

So...let me understand this...you are disavowing the similarities of the struggle for recognition, legal and social, of equal status in the face of bigotry, religious dogma, and insecurity on the grounds that there isn't a community wide moral outrage about a television program?


Wow. Please elucidate.

[padgett316]

What a shock. Completely intentionally misreading a dissenting thinker's post in a lame, condescendnig attempt at humiliation.

Obviously, there are 1000 legitimate, inarguable reasons that racial minorities are justifiably offended whenever gay activists attempt to link their horse to that buggy. Also obviously, my TV show commentary provides further proof that the gay activists, by not condemning their own participation in this pathetic money grab, prove further that their 'movement' is purely attention-starved at any cost, no matter how deingrating it is to their own fellow gays.

If the gay movement had any credibility, its leaders would come out and loudly publicly condemn these shows. Instead, they're marketed and trumpeted as evidence of gays' alleged acceptance in this country, which is sad because the fundamental premise of these shows totally contradicts gays' legitimacy by making a mockery of their 'cause'.

[MacBeth]

Originally posted by padgett316 What a shock. Completely intentionally misreading a dissenting thinker's post in a lame, condescendnig attempt at humiliation. Obviously, there are 1000 legitimate, inarguable reasons that racial minorities are justifiably offended whenever gay activists attempt to link their horse to that buggy. Also obviously, my TV show commentary provides further proof that the gay activists in this money are attention-starved at any cost, no matter how deingrating it is to their own 'movement'.

Here's a hint about prejudice. I was trying to subtly imply this before, apparently was way off:

Characterizing any movement, class, gender, race, creed, or persuasion based on the actions, or your interpretation of the actions of one or a few people who happen to share a distinguishing quality with that class, gender, etc. is bigotry.

Second point: subjectivty. Why do you assume to know what does and does not qualify as the right response to something like this?

Third point: Believe, me, I wasn't trying to humiliate you. For one thing, why be redundant?

[padgett316]

How do you think black leaders, white leaders, Arab leaders, etc. would respond to a television show that encouraged members of their community making a mockery of their own race? They'd be justifiably outraged. In the gay community, not a condemning word is uttered while gays pretend to be "not gay". While the shows themselves are obviously trivial, the way they're accepted or not accepted distinguishes a considerable difference between legitimate classes of dignified people and 'classes' of similar people starved for attention.

[KingCheetah]

Originally posted by padgett316 What a shock. Completely intentionally misreading a dissenting thinker's post in a lame, condescendnig attempt at humiliation.

You are very deep.

[Buck Turgidson]

I've yet to hear any bleating from the religeous right regarding the myriad of hetero-sham-marriage reality shows. Doesn't the "fundamental premise of these shows totally contradict" the sanctity of marriage we hear so much about?

[MacBeth]

Originally posted by padgett316 How do you think black leaders, white leaders, Arab leaders, etc. would respond to a television show that encouraged members of their community making a mockery of their own race? They'd be justifiably outraged. In the gay community, not a condemning word is uttered. That point, thought the shows themselves are obviously trivial, distinguishes a considerable difference between legitimate classes of dignified people and 'classes' of similar people starved for attention.

A) You are assuming that these movements are at similar stages.

B) You are assuming that this is a mockery of their group.

[MacBeth]

Originally posted by MacBeth A) You are assuming that these movements are at similar stages. B) You are assuming that this is a mockery of their group.

C) ( Damnit, hit button too soon.) You are assuming that there is only one right reaction to a wrong.

[padgett316]

Originally posted by Buck Turgidson I've yet to hear any bleating from the religeous right regarding the myriad of hetero-sham-marriage reality shows. Doesn't the "fundamental premise of these shows totally contradict" the sanctity of marriage we hear so much about?

There has been plenty by conservatives, Christians and people in general. And, while I agree that the way these shows insult the institution of marriage is deplorable, it's still somewhat different than insulting an entire class of people.

And I'm not saying that there hasn't been a negative response from gay leaders. I just haven't seen or heard it, though I guess I don't frequently read any specialized media outlets from the gay community either. At least in the broad US media, I have heard or seen nothing.

[padgett316]

MacBeth,

Your superior intelligence overwhelms me. I cannot begin to powerfully respond to your avalanche of nebulous generalizations.

I am assuming a game based on guessing whether a guy can pretend to be gay or not does make a mockery of being gay, that's correct.

I have no idea what you intend to say about 'only one wrong to every right' or whatever it was.

Again, there are numerous historical reasons that I am not going to take the time to go into that distinguish gays from racial minorities. You can assume they're equal, but I do not. That's perfectly fine with me.

[subtomic]

Originally posted by padgett316 A day doesn't pass without some leftist activist attempting to analogize the historically tragic battle of blacks in America to the current 'struggle' of gays in America. I was listening to John and Lance on 610 this morning discussing the Bravo network's latest and greatest version of queer reality TV where a girl dates a bunch of guys, some of whom are straight and some of whom are gay pretending to be straight, and the gay guy 'wins' a pot of $ if he fools the girl into thinking he's straight. It seems to me that if there was a credible gay community, they would be outraged by these people and these shows. Somehow I doubt that blacks or any legitimate minority (or majority, for that matter) class of Americans would permit members of its class to parade themselves on national TV and pretend 'not to be black', etc. I don't know how gays ever expect to get any respect when they attempt to impose their form of 'justice' on America by encouraging law-breaking mayors and justices to create illegal law and when their own continue to make their 'cause' all the more ridiculous by mocking on TV.

Where to begin . ..

First, what exactly is your point here? That the struggle of gays for equality is not the same as the struggle of minorities (if not, then why? Give the historical facts that you claim.). That the gay movement should be openly condemning a dating show involving deception? (if so, why should gays be concerned with such trivialities?) That such shows, the civil disobedience of some mayors, and the use of the legal system is counter-productive to earning respect? Perhaps, but why don't you show some evidence or logic rather than just ranting at everyone?

More later. I have to wrap things up at work.

[Mulder]

I'm guessing you didn't like the movie "Soul Man" with Thomas C. Howell....

[pgabriel]

Originally posted by subtomic Where to begin . .. First, what exactly is your point here? That the struggle of gays for equality is not the same as the struggle of minorities (if not, then why? Give the historical facts that you claim.).

Now come on, there are plenty of historical facts to back up the argument. Slavery, segregation, holocaust (I no, that's religious), etc.

[Buck Turgidson]

Originally posted by Mulder I'm guessing you didn't like the movie "Soul Man" with Thomas C. Howell....

"Beyotch! Fetch my some watermelon and my hypodermic needles."

[RocketMan Tex]

Originally posted by padgett316 A day doesn't pass without some leftist activist attempting to analogize the historically tragic battle of blacks in America to the current 'struggle' of gays in America.

Really? Do you go out looking for these analogies or do they somehow come to you?

[MadMax]

i'm not a minority...so i can't speak from experience.

and maybe i'm a bigot....

but i have a hard time equating race and sexual orientation.

[GladiatoRowdy]

Originally posted by MadMax i'm not a minority...so i can't speak from experience. and maybe i'm a bigot.... but i have a hard time equating race and sexual orientation.

Not me.

They are both an unchangeable part of who a person is.

They are both a source of derision and bigotry from some (not you, but some).

Worst case scenario for both is death at the hands of said bigots.

There are plenty of parallels.

[pgabriel]

When I walk in for a job interview, a few of the first things people notice is that I am male and I am black.

[MadMax]

Originally posted by pgabriel When I walk in for a job interview, a few of the first things people notice is that I am male and I am black.

that's at least partially what i mean....