Can OB reform RGIII?

vstexas09 · Aug 31, 2015

I think it's highly likely that RG3 is on his way out of DC.

Do we bite?

Fitz had his best year under O'Brien last year, and I'm hopeful for Hoyer. I don't think we'll get Hackenberg or even a franchise QB through the draft in the next 5 years.

It's a necessary question to ask, and the dude has a lot of upside IMO, but I think Gruden/Shanahan did not provide the best environment or coach dutifully.

But, RG3 is smart, and I feel that he will take quickly to BOB's system and can flourish in this situation.

MadMax · Aug 31, 2015

We don't need to take any chances at the QB position. We have Brian Hoyer.

Rocket Guy · Aug 31, 2015

If I am the Texans I would take a chance on anyone

Texanasiafan · Aug 31, 2015

Incoming the new thread : VY is available too.

Junkyard_Dog · Aug 31, 2015

Nope, and from what I've heard he doesn't take to coaching very well. So him and O'Brien would be like oil and water.

But if you can get him for nothing I say why the hell not

Fulgore · Aug 31, 2015

If the Redskins cut him then of course.

Hey Now! · Aug 31, 2015

I'm not saying I like it... but at this point, you're pot-committed to Hoyer. You don't disrupt that with a late August, shot-in-the-dark QB signing; that does Hoyer no favors.

Dance with who brung ya, or whatever. Hoyer or bust...

J.R. · Aug 31, 2015

Humpty Dumpty cannot be put back together again.

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Don Banks: Teams like San Francisco, Seattle and Carolina are built around mobile, dual-threat quarterbacks, and perhaps Griffin can land in one of those spots and slowly rebuild his game without the pressure or spotlight of producing in the No. 1 role. And looking ahead to next year, I wouldn’t completely rule out Chip Kelly’s Eagles, who share the same division as Washington and have never shied away from making a bold move or two at quarterback.Teams like San Francisco, Seattle and Carolina are built around mobile, dual-threat quarterbacks, and perhaps Griffin can land in one of those spots and slowly rebuild his game without the pressure or spotlight of producing in the No. 1 role. And looking ahead to next year, I wouldn’t completely rule out Chip Kelly’s Eagles, who share the same division as Washington and have never shied away from making a bold move or two at quarterback.

Doug Farrar: Put him on the Marty Mornhinweg plan

When I studied Griffin's tape last year, I was convinced that he needed a new environment if he was ever to succeed again in the NFL, and he'd probably require a full season to decompress, regroup and get himself together before the results showed up on the field. So, he'd need to go to a team where there was no pressure to start him earlier than was prudent.

When the Eagles signed Michael Vick before the 2009 season, he was fresh out of prison and in need of a clean slate. Vick played a little bit in 2009 and then became the starter in '10 after the Eagles traded Donovan McNabb to the Redskins. Vick had a magnificent comeback season, and he appeared to be a new quarterback with better full-field reads, better decisions under pressure, and more consistency than he'd ever shown in Atlanta. The main reason for that turnaround was offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg, who is now the Ravens' quarterbacks coach.

Baltimore is a perfect fit, really. There's absolutely no pressure to start Griffin with Joe Flacco in charge, and Baltimore's current backup is Matt Schaub. Enough said.

Griffin can relearn the position in a comparatively stable environment with people who are well-versed in taking limited runners and turning them into quarterbacks.

Greg Bedard: RGIII’s future depends, obviously, on where he lands and his attitude. Both of his head coaches with Washington, Mike Shanahan and Jay Gruden, never really wanted Griffin. Gruden, especially, has been a complete mismatch as far as style. Until the spread game is truly integrated (not just a package here or there) into the pro game (which will happen), players like Griffin and Marcus Mariota are always going to be square pegs into round holes. Shanahan did a great job fitting Griffin into his offense as a rookie, but things went downhill after the knee surgery. Trust issues, owner Daniel Snyder’s intrusion on the coach-QB relationship, lack of practice time before the season and keeping Griffin confined to the pocket led to a disastrous 2013 campaign.

Gruden never wanted Griffin for a variety of reasons, but mostly because Griffin didn’t work at his craft like Gruden, a former quarterback himself, knew he should.
That’s the other factor. Griffin, according to reports, was not well liked by his teammates or, apparently, his coaches. You can’t operate as a successful NFL quarterback like that. Griffin, wherever he ends up next, needs to channel his inner Tom Brady and conduct himself like he’s a sixth-round pick who was a long shot to make the team. And Griffin needs to tend to his craft like all the greats do: by putting the hours in with film work.

If Griffin does those things, and he lands with an offensive mind like Chip Kelly, he can absolutely still be a very good player in this league. This is a player that completed over 67% of his passes in his final two years at Baylor. He completed 65.6% to win Offensive Rookie of the Year (over Andrew Luck) and lead Washington to the division title. That doesn’t happen by accident. Griffin oozes talent. If he lands in the right scheme and gets his attitude right, Griffin can still be a difference-maker.

Melissa Jacobs: Quick, name any first-round quarterback who experienced an onslaught of injuries, a regression in skill set and national ridicule and survived to become a respectable player? Still thinking, huh?

In general, once a quarterback regresses to a point where boo birds become omnipresent, there’s no major upswing. The only recent counter that comes to mind is Alex Smith in San Francisco, the No. 1 overall pick in 2005 that never played like it. But Smith lucked into a quarterback genius in Jim Harbaugh, didn't suffer any major injuries and, unlike RGIII, was liked by his teammates. However, the most striking distinction is that unlike Smith, Griffin was placed atop the world’s tallest pedestal for about two years. Some of that he earned with a golden rookie season that perfectly blended his talent with the Shanahans' ability to manipulate defenses with the still largely undiscovered read option. The rest was just modern hype—the endorsements, the jersey sales, the helicopters that circled above on the day Griffin and his wife moved into a nice but random house in the D.C. area.

None of Griffin’s recent words or actions suggests that he is even aware of the regression so obvious to the naked eye. To begin a comeback, you have to admit you need one.
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The Real Shady · Aug 31, 2015

BOB's scheme is a horrible fit for RGIII. No way they pick him up. RGIII would be better served going to the Eagles and playing backup.

ferrari77 · Aug 31, 2015

vstexas09 said: ↑

I think it's highly likely that RG3 is on his way out of DC.

Do we bite?

Fitz had his best year under O'Brien last year, and I'm hopeful for Hoyer. I don't think we'll get Hackenberg or even a franchise QB through the draft in the next 5 years.

It's a necessary question to ask, and the dude has a lot of upside IMO, but I think Gruden/Shanahan did not provide the best environment or coach dutifully.

But, RG3 is smart, and I feel that he will take quickly to BOB's system and can flourish in this situation.
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Just decided to ignore this thread here right

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=268549&page=3

I belive RGIII could be considered a disgruntled QB.

Anyway, here are the answers to your post

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=9986666&postcount=41

Kim said: ↑

This is a fairly accurate assessment of RG3. The only supporters he has are the owner who he's friend's with, Snyder's puppet Bruce Allen, RG3 fanboys, and national media folk who don't watch the team. Redskins diehards and local DC media almost unanimously believe it's over for RG3.

I don't hate him and I don't think it's all his fault. To me, his demise was due to Ngata killing his knee, Shanny making it worse in the Seattle game, and his own stubbornness in refusing to slide his first year. Even though he's rehabbed to become a good athlete, he's not other-worldly like he once was. And without the read-option, he's just awful. The prima-donna stuff about wanting to be Peyton doesn't really matter in the big picture. It's all about performance and due to injury, he can't succeed in the NFL anymore. He has terrible pocket presence and terrible D reading skills. Under the same below-average offensive line last year, his sack rate was like twice as bad as Kirk Cousins (who is just an average at best QB imo), and like 1/3 the TD rate. RG3 also has the worst fumble rate in the NFL.
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Cannonball said: ↑

There's no reason to think RGIII is OB's type of QB. OB wants a pocket passer. RGIII's problem is that he's not one. He's a running QB's that's struggled to adjust his game. Last I heard, he still struggled reading defenses and running an NFL offense. Some reporter did a brutal breakdown of one of his games last year showing just how much he doesn't get it. His best year as a rookie was when they simplified things and incorporated a lot of Baylor's offense to help him out. That's not going to work with Bill.

EDIT: Here's the breakdown
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...cant-assess-the-rest-of-the-redskins-offense/
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Originally Posted by Ericstocracy
If RG3 were to become available at any point, I hope the Texans stay as far away as possible. He doesn't fit the scheme at all. Bad pocket QB, lacks the ability to read a defense, holds onto the ball for way to long, takes unnecessary hits. Easily hurt. Lacks the mental toughness to adjust and hasn't shown any ability to lead a team.

I get he hasn't been put into a position to succeed, but he also hasn't done anything to prove he isn't the disaster he's been.
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Dubious · Aug 31, 2015

God intended for RGIII replace Romo
so it is written, so shall it be

(maybe he's pissed though because there is no hole in the roof and he can't see now)

sugrlndkid · Aug 31, 2015

Ill keep this simple...damaged goods.

His coach left him out to get destroyed...in a preseason game.

He needs time away from the game and needs to reevaluate his game overall.

rhino17 · Aug 31, 2015

I think Jay Gruden has almost ruined his career. He's a **** coach and left his QB out on a limb to get hurt multiple times. I'd definitely take a chance on him but I don't know how well he fits here. Either way, some offensive minded coach should take a chance on him and see what he can do

DonnyMost · Aug 31, 2015

Cowboys or Eagles are his likely destinations.

Nick · Aug 31, 2015

rhino17 said: ↑

I think Jay Gruden has almost ruined his career. He's a **** coach and left his QB out on a limb to get hurt multiple times. I'd definitely take a chance on him but I don't know how well he fits here. Either way, some offensive minded coach should take a chance on him and see what he can do
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You do know that RGIII had a hand in why his old coach got fired, no?

The guy apparently has issues with his O-linemen too... which definitely calls into question about how dumb one player can be to throw the guys under the bus who may or may not decide to protect you.

Certainly, he'll get another chance somewhere.... even could be here... but he's got a long way to go to recapturing that 2012 magic.

Nimo · Aug 31, 2015

But Why?

Nick · Aug 31, 2015

MadMax said: ↑

We don't need to take any chances at the QB position. We have Brian Hoyer.
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And RGIII is likely behind Colt McCoy on the Redskins depth chart...

DonnyMost · Aug 31, 2015

Let's sign VY, Keenum, and RG3!!!!!!!!!!111eleventy

ferrari77 · Aug 31, 2015

Nick said: ↑

You do know that RGIII had a hand in why his old coach got fired, no?

The guy apparently has issues with his O-linemen too... which definitely calls into question about how dumb one player can be to throw the guys under the bus who may or may not decide to protect you.

Certainly, he'll get another chance somewhere.... even could be here... but he's got a long way to go to recapturing that 2012 magic.
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I'm sure his old coach had a major hand in getting fired without RGIII even having to say a word.

kaleidosky · Aug 31, 2015

I'd rather sign Jamarcus than RGIII

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