1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

More midrange or more....3pt shooting?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by NL Rocket, Oct 14, 2014.

  1. NL Rocket

    NL Rocket Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2012
    Messages:
    4,382
    Likes Received:
    103
    After the disaster of going 5 for 30 from three and us being dead last in the league in shooting from midrange (only 11% of our shots!), are we seriously going to continue this Vernon Maxwell / JR Smith bombs away mentality?

    I am okay with us shooting the three when you get it after a few passes and you're open or your name is Troy, but other than that we should drive more: either to the basket or a bit closer for the midrange shot. By driving and at least trying to get a bit closer, you can force the defense to react and pass to someone near the basket in case the shot is no longer there.

    I am more concerned about this mentality than our bench in general.
     
  2. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    89,914
    Likes Received:
    43,290
    PFs can shoot midrange

    Guards and SFs mostly 3s but with the occasional 2s to beat the clock or pick and pop
     
  3. cheke64

    cheke64 Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2009
    Messages:
    23,698
    Likes Received:
    15,053
    3pt will make you lose in the first round of the playoffs. Can someone show a comparison of 3pts vs 2pt in the playoffs.
     
  4. rocketsballin

    rocketsballin Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2012
    Messages:
    8,041
    Likes Received:
    1,483
    i dont like morey's "3 or layup" strategy. no longer playing the game, its playing the stats. if u have a good mid range shot that u can make u take it.
     
  5. DallasThomas

    DallasThomas Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2002
    Messages:
    3,358
    Likes Received:
    208
    Here you go:

    [​IMG]
     
    8 people like this.
  6. rocketsballin

    rocketsballin Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2012
    Messages:
    8,041
    Likes Received:
    1,483
  7. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    89,914
    Likes Received:
    43,290
    lol

    It is good to be masters at both
     
  8. Mr Chuck Norris

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2008
    Messages:
    4,526
    Likes Received:
    1,745
    The Spurs bombed Miami all day with threes. There were 40 Converted 4 point plays last postseason. How did we forget so quickly. The 3 point shot is here to stay.
     
  9. Haymitch

    Haymitch Custom Title
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2005
    Messages:
    28,003
    Likes Received:
    23,206
    POTY candidate
     
  10. Yung-T

    Yung-T Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2009
    Messages:
    24,403
    Likes Received:
    7,048
    Rep the DallasThomas breh.
     
  11. rockettes

    rockettes Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2012
    Messages:
    529
    Likes Received:
    21

    graph clearly shows a point advantage for the 3point shot
    more three!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  12. rockettes

    rockettes Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2012
    Messages:
    529
    Likes Received:
    21
    i wonder if freethrow shots are worth more or less than one point in the playoffs?
    any graph for that?
     
  13. cheke64

    cheke64 Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2009
    Messages:
    23,698
    Likes Received:
    15,053
    It looks like the green is longer.
     
  14. James Gabriel

    James Gabriel Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2007
    Messages:
    2,007
    Likes Received:
    711
    Man, I just hope they make the shots come the real thing. I don't care if we score a 100 points on free throws as long as we win. :grin:
     
  15. HTown_TMac

    HTown_TMac Member

    Joined:
    May 10, 2006
    Messages:
    4,530
    Likes Received:
    1,518
    Adding a midrange expands the teams game dramatically. I understand the 'advanced stats' of it. But it doesn't tell the whole story.
     
  16. don grahamleone

    don grahamleone Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2001
    Messages:
    23,382
    Likes Received:
    33,541
    Playoffs last year:

    2pointers .455

    3pointers .358 (effectively .538 and thus worth making an offense around)

    The reason you develop a midrange threat is not because it's a good setup, it's so when teams key on the other two locations, you still have offense.

    The NBA% from 10-15 feet is 41.7% and from 16-23 (inside the 3pt arc) is 38.3%. It's 64% at the rim. AKA feed Dwight and shoot threes. AKA Get great at the post game, including passing out of the post.
     
    #16 don grahamleone, Oct 14, 2014
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2014
    1 person likes this.
  17. MONON

    MONON Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    4,903
    Likes Received:
    935
    I'm not as eloquent with graphs as DT, but sports in general is a "stats" game. Rox 95 - Suns 92. That's a stat.

    As for OP's midrange vs 3pt question, I'll use 2 examples.
    1. 30% of 20 shots = 6 shots. That's 12 pts w/2's & 18 pts w/3's. To get 18 pts with 2's, you have to take 30 shots or shoot 45%.
    2. 35% of 20 shots =7 shots. That's 14 pts w/2's & 21 pts w/3's. To get 21 pts with 2's, you have to take 30 shots or shoot 52.5%.
    The real question is how many players do we have that shoots 35% from 3 (4 or 5) vs 52.5% from 2 (1 or 2).

    Ok, I'm not eloquent with words either!
     
  18. One Mic

    One Mic Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2014
    Messages:
    44
    Likes Received:
    57
    hahahahaha, this is genius
     
  19. Aleron

    Aleron Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Messages:
    11,685
    Likes Received:
    1,113
    byron scott is that you? 26 game losing streak not enough?
     
  20. WinkFan

    WinkFan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2002
    Messages:
    3,987
    Likes Received:
    96
    The NBA says more 3pt shooting. Three point shots have increased almost every year since the line came into existence( excluding the 3 years of the 22 ft line.). The number of 3's the Rockets take now will probably be average in a few years.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now