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85 Richest People On Earth Now Have Same Wealth as Bottom Half of Global Population
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It's a problem globally. It's a problem in the U.S. The super elites don't realize this state of affairs really isn't in their best interest.

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Wealth of 85 people equals that of billions of poor, charity says

The charity Oxfam also reports that the recent financial crisis was an enormous burden on the world’s poor but hugely beneficial to the rich elite, who collected 95 percent of the post-crisis growth.

By Jim Puzzanghera

BERLIN — As business and political leaders gather in Davos, Switzerland, to discuss the improving world economy, new evidence emerged about how much the rich have become richer — and how much further the poor are falling behind.

The 85 richest people on Earth now have the same amount of wealth as the bottom half of the global population, according to a report released Monday by the British humanitarian group Oxfam International.

The findings highlight the widening gap between rich and poor ahead of the annual World Economic Forum this week. The report, and others recently on the issue, could boost efforts in Washington to increase the federal minimum wage, which President Obama has made a priority.

“It is staggering that in the 21st century, half of the world’s population own no more than a tiny elite whose numbers could all sit comfortably in a single train carriage,” said Winnie Byanyima, Oxfam’s executive director.

“Widening inequality is creating a vicious circle where wealth and power are increasingly concentrated in the hands of a few, leaving the rest of us to fight over crumbs from the top table,” Byanyima said.

The bottom half of the population — about 3.5 billion people — account for about $1.7 trillion, or about 0.7 percent of the world’s wealth, according to the Oxfam report, titled “Working for the Few.” That’s the same amount of wealth attributed to the world’s 85 richest people.

Those wealthy elite are a small part of the richest 1 percent of the world’s population, which combined has amassed about 46 percent of the world’s wealth, or $110 trillion, according to the report. The top 1 percent had 65 times the total wealth of the bottom half of the population.

Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington, said the Oxfam findings and others should help build support for an increase in the federal minimum wage.

In a report last week, the World Economic Forum said widening income inequality was the risk most likely to cause serious damage in the next decade. President Obama recently called the expanding gap between rich and poor a bigger threat to the U.S. economy than the budget deficit. A Gallup poll released Monday found two-thirds of Americans were dissatisfied with the way income and wealth are distributed in the nation.

The percentage of income held by the richest 1 percent in the U.S. has grown nearly 150 percent from 1980 through 2012. That small elite has received 95 percent of wealth created since 2009, after the financial crisis, while the bottom 90 percent of Americans have become poorer, Oxfam said.

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Lazy 3.5 billion moochers need to get a job!

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Yeah, that's pretty crazy.

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Pffft, we're a democracy. We can just vote the wealth out of those people's hands if we think it's too much.

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If we would just lower the taxes on those 85 they would create more jobs. They are taxed too high which destroys their incentive. Besides the 85 pay much higher than 85/7billionth of the taxes; and many of the lower 50% pay no taxes at all.

If the lower half just went to college and prayed and worked harder they could join the 85.

Now let's don't have no talk about inequality, redistribution, social justice and all that class warfare stuff.
 
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If we would just lower the taxes on those 85 they would create more jobs. They are taxed too high which destroys their incentive. Besides the 85 pay much higher than 85/7billionth of the taxes; and many of the lower 50% pay no taxes at all.

If the lower half just went to college and prayed and worked harder they could join the 85.

Now let's don't have no talk about inequality, redistribution, social justice and all that class warfare stuff.
To clarify, the United States should go and tax people from other countries?

This sounds very imperialistic of you.

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That's insane. And definitely not a good thing.

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3.5 billion lazy people.
 
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If we would just lower the taxes on those 85 they would create more jobs. They are taxed too high which destroys their incentive. Besides the 85 pay much higher than 85/7billionth of the taxes; and many of the lower 50% pay no taxes at all.

If the lower half just went to college and prayed and worked harder they could join the 85.

Now let's don't have no talk about inequality, redistribution, social justice and all that class warfare stuff.
I will take your advice and pray for top 85 status.


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If we would just lower the taxes on those 85 they would create more jobs. They are taxed too high which destroys their incentive. Besides the 85 pay much higher than 85/7billionth of the taxes; and many of the lower 50% pay no taxes at all.

If the lower half just went to college and prayed and worked harder they could join the 85.

Now let's don't have no talk about inequality, redistribution, social justice and all that class warfare stuff.
you forgot that their businesses are too tightly regulated and it's killing their ability to hire because their revenues are so low.
 
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Those 85 just work harder.

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A lot of it is paper wealth. If you remove the façade of multiples and potential and growth and just flat out redistributed the assets evenly, you're more likely to end up with 3.5 billion + 85 hungry people instead of just 3.5 billion + 85 pretty well off people. That's why pure communism didn't and doesn't and never will work.

What the rich need to realize is to stop wringing the rock for more blood. Owning another 5-10% of the world's wealth probably won't change the lifestyle of the 85 a heck of a whole lot, but it sure makes for juicier and juicier headlines until people are fed up and just take it by force.

And on this topic (or maybe off-topic), the liberal agenda is a bit self-conflicting. On the one hand we want economic parity. On the other hand we're (mostly) tree-huggers. But if I had to guess, Wal-Mart devastates the environment far more than Neiman Marcus.

Or we can all live like the Japanese and (to a lesser extent) the Germans.
 
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That's mind boggling.
 
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A lot of it is paper wealth. If you remove the façade of multiples and potential and growth and just flat out redistributed the assets evenly, you're more likely to end up with 3.5 billion + 85 hungry people instead of just 3.5 billion + 85 pretty well off people. That's why pure communism didn't and doesn't and never will work.

What the rich need to realize is to stop wringing the rock for more blood. Owning another 5-10% of the world's wealth probably won't change the lifestyle of the 85 a heck of a whole lot, but it sure makes for juicier and juicier headlines until people are fed up and just take it by force.

And on this topic (or maybe off-topic), the liberal agenda is a bit self-conflicting. On the one hand we want economic parity. On the other hand we're (mostly) tree-huggers. But if I had to guess, Wal-Mart devastates the environment far more than Neiman Marcus.

Or we can all live like the Japanese and (to a lesser extent) the Germans.
I don't see how Wal-Mart and tree hugging are related. One is a lifestyle choice. Simply reduce the amount of energy/waste generated per person. Other is whether you buy something cheap or expensive. A $10 shirt and a $100 shirt probably doesn't make any difference in terms of saving the planet, but turning off lights when you leave, open the windows to get some natural air, etc. does.

The reason why Walmart generates more waste in total is because more people shop at Walmart. But it's not like Nieman Marcus clothing is somehow more environmentally friendly.
 
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So 85 people is but a small part of 1% of the worlds population?

Sounds like this liberal tripe is trying to get fancy with numbers and figures.

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So 85 people is but a small part of 1% of the worlds population?

Sounds like this liberal tripe is trying to get fancy with numbers and figures.
Can't tell what you're trying to say. Are you saying the data are "tripe" or just the liberal presentation is "tripe"?

I don't think people really dispute the basic numbers on wealth accumulation; you can disagree about what it means or what would be a better way forward.

I for one submit that it's just not a stable situation for the planet's population. As I've posted before, if we make a rough analogy that economic assets are like the blood of an economy, you can't concentrate all of an organism's blood in one tiny part of the body and expect that to go too well. I won't continue with this analogy for fear of it getting lewd... I was about to type "engorged" as part of the argument and then just told myself to stop already.

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A particularly good example of that is the newspaper’s just-retracted claim that 85 individuals own nearly half of the world’s wealth, suspicious even to those of us with only English-major math to work with. The claim is — or should have been — rejected out of hand: One-half of the world’s wealth amounts to more than $100 trillion, which would mean that we would have to have 85 trillionaires walking the Earth, when in reality there are none. In fact, there is no one who is even one-tenth of the way there: Neither Bill Gates nor Carlos Slim has crossed the $100 billion mark, though it seems likely that somebody will, someday.

What is really lost in the Times’s report, and in the Oxfam study upon which it is based, is the complete lack of appreciation for the fact that the lives of the world’s poor have in material terms seen radical improvement over the past 40 years. The very fact that we’re talking about the asset holdings of the world’s poor is an indicator that bears some contemplation. As recently as the 1980s, the conversation about global poverty was not very much focused on net worth — it was focused on famine. (On that subject, it is worth considering the extent to which modern famines have been caused by political actions rather than by economic conditions or drought.)

What can we do about the situation of the global poor? We could seize all of the wealth of those 85 super-rich people whose portfolios so fascinate the Los Angeles Times, which would have the effect of raising the average wealth of the world’s poor from about $485 to about $970 — not exactly a solution.

The only way to help the world’s poor to a position of relative prosperity and economic independence is to help them to participate in the global economy, and here our progressive friends take a damned-if-you-do/damned-if-you-don’t approach. They’re scandalized by the scanty assets of the world’s poor, and they’re even more scandalized when rich countries open their markets to the global poor, or when companies from rich countries invest in poor countries and employ the poor people residing therein. The Democrats refer to Americans who do business with the global poor as “economic traitors,” and their most recent national convention was an energetic pageant of xenophobia, replete with ritualistic denunciations of the Yellow Peril come to steal our jobs.
 
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That's a worthwhile cut-n-paste, Commodore. The exact claim of the article, in terms of 85 individuals, is indeed a lot crazy.

But the primary problem remains. It's a shame that some editor let that pass into a publication without more thorough research. Typical.

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That's a worthwhile cut-n-paste, Commodore. The exact claim of the article, in terms of 85 individuals, is indeed a lot crazy.

But the primary problem remains. It's a shame that some editor let that pass into a publication without more thorough research. Typical.
It's only a problem if the pie isn't growing. But we can see from improved quality of life of the poor, that isn't so.

Mark Zuckerberg providing billions in value to his fellow human beings is not a problem for me. Good for him.
 

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