The Topic of Gun Control and How it Relates to Recent Mass Shootings

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i'm right...you're wrong.. brawlllllll

 

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Guns? Bombs! Kitchen! Sink!

 

Not much to debate. Based upon the recent precedent from the U.S. Supreme Court, there would have to be a repeal of the second amendment to have any meaningful gun control. That is not going to happen in our lifetime. Even the President is scared of the NRA and won't say anything to offend them.

 

I think your assessment is correct....

and I find it tragically sad that words written over 200 years ago about keeping a militia intact so they wouldn't have to keep a standing army have been given such reverence that we can't see how radically different the context is today and the consequence of that interpretation.

 

If there's one place the founders ****ed up, its the wording and structure of the second amendment.

Should have had a grammar teacher review that one before they penned it.

 

They probably didn't realize that technology would allow guns to fire over one hundred bullets in mere seconds.

No ****ing reason for that to be legal. That's not self-defense.

 

Gun control won't happen. 3D printing and low cost CNC machines will now allow for even more low dollar guns to be made, even if they were banned. For a few thousand dollars in equipment and a computer, anyone can manufacturer guns.

The 3d printer can be used for mock-ups and creating the "lowers" just like in current polymer guns, or to create molds for poured metal. The CNC machine can be used to create the slide, trigger and firing mechanism.

As the years go by, the technology gets cheaper, faster and easier to use. So the idea that we would ban and eradicate hundreds of millions of current guns, while also keeping tabs on the black market and then these at home workshops is laughable.

Ending the war on drugs would save thousands of lives a year, and then focusing on key mental health issues is our best hope at limiting violence in America.

EDIT - I should point out that making assault rifles in these at home shops is actually easier than hand guns due to size constraints. Just search YouTube for "CNC AR-15."

 

I'm not even talking about that. I mean the wording of the amendment itself doesn't make sense.

Tell me that isn't confusing to you. It was a poorly written amendment and we're in a period of history where everyone is obsessed with originalism and using the intent of the founding fathers as a standard.

But how the hell can you interpret anyone's intent when the amendment is written so horribly?

 

Just because people can spend thousands of dollars making crappy versions of guns doesn't mean reducing the supply of cheaper and better guns is a futile goal.

Theoretically, you could also make your own bombs, but of course government restrictions on certain ingredients makes it harder. Are you going to turn around and say, since Bob can make pipe bombs, we should just authorize the sale of cluster mines to all, since it's futile to stop bombs?

 

This isn't really true; the problem is that gun control debate is often framed in very binary ways (ban guns entirely or not, all regulations don't work always, etc) that have a very "winner take all" aspect of them - as a consequence nothing is done (which is what the NRA & gun lobby wants) and we ignore potentially useful steps. There's nothing in Heller which dictates that we have to sit around and do nothing for all time.

 

I'm guessing you have never seen a CNC machined AR-15. You can't tell the difference if done right. Also, once they make it for the first time they can create molds to make them in mass. Heck, you can even make crucial components out of plastic, which takes no time to CNC.

And you can make bombs easily, and if you outlaw guns I can assure you bombs will become more common place. If people mean to do harm, they are going to regardless of the hoops they have to jump through.

 

oh circuitous logic.

We shouldn't bother to ban guns because people can make them.

They'll go to bombs instead.

But they haven't gone to bombs recently because---

it's easier to get a gun then to make a bomb.

ah!

There's nothing wrong with making a murderer's job harder, without endangering the lives of others on the scene (for that mortified concealed carry one-shot Jim argument).

 

No question...so what do you do? Nothing? Should we throw out the criminal code entirely because, after all, criminals are going to do awful things regardless?

This argument is ridiculous. Having people wear a seatbelt reduces traffic fatalities...it's not a full proof way of saving lives in a traffic accident, but it helps.

Restricting access to firearms has proven in EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED NATION to reduce murder by guns and the murder rate generally.

 

Banning guns isn't going to make their job harder. We have hundreds of millions of guns. Look at the shooter in Norway, and they have strict guns laws. If they want to do it, they will do it.

My argument that SOCIETY is the issue. We GLORIFY these guys on television for weeks on end, which causes copy-cats. We had a shooting at a mall just a week ago, these shooting are generally followed by 1-2 more.

Getting to the bottom of why people do these sorts of things and how we can find them before they do it is our only hope.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...guns-and-mass-shootings-in-the-united-states/

 

I'm going to hazard a guess and say that, for the majority of people, this event will simply confirm what they already believe.