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redlawn is offline Old 11-05-2012, 11:57 PM   #1
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NBA backcourt of the future? Kyrie Irving (24pts) and Dion Waiters (28pts) both had monster games to beat the Clippers tonight. They're both only 20 years old. What do you guys think?

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Man! those two and Varejao came to play tonight, clutch bucket after clutch bucket. Definitely a solid backcourt to build around
 
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I guess that's alright. I mean it's no 45 and 21 combo
 
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Man! those two and Varejao came to play tonight, clutch bucket after clutch bucket. Definitely a solid backcourt to build around
That's what I saw too. Waiters and Irving hit big shot after big shot. Clippers have their own top tier backcourt in Chris Paul, Eric Bledsoe, and Jamal Crawford, but I was very impressed with Cleveland's guards tonight holding their own.

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Kyrie is something special....once Chris Paul hits the decline I am putting my money on Irving being number 1 PG in the league
 
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Kyrie is something special....once Chris Paul hits the decline I am putting my money on Irving being number 1 PG in the league
I think you're on to something.

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I only take it far because Kobe is so overrated. He has never positively impacted his team despite winning tons of press and accolades.
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[Chris] Paul will flop maybe once or twice a game
 
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I guess that's alright. I mean it's no 45 and 21 combo
 
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I think you're on to something.
Oh, is it already a general consensus that he is going to be the best?
 
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These guys are going to be good. Too bad they're small so they will get worked over defensively. But offensively, imagine them as a more efficient Monta/Curry with better playmaking. That's scary.

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I think you're on to something.
I don't think he sees the floor like CP3. He's obviously a more explosive scorer. I see him as a more efficient Drose/WB type of scoring PG.
 
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Clippers broadcaster mentioned that Synergy stats had Irving as the worst defensive player in the league last season.
 
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Verajao has the ability to face up in the post and hit that 15 foot shot. If Asik could do that it would work wonders for us in terms of opening space up for Lin and Harden.
 
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Oh, is it already a general consensus that he is going to be the best?
Too early for it to be a general consensus. Let's see what he does this year.

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something dion waiters has but jeremy lamb lack: confident
dion waiters proved tonight that he does have the potential to be at dwade level.
 
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Reminds me of Houstons team.
 
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Reminds me of Houstons team.
If only our center could hit shots like the Cavs'...
 
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It's too bad John Wall is injured, we could be seeing two potential eastern rival backcourts in the making.

Beal/Wall vs. Irving/Waiters
 
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Yeah I'm excited about their backcourt. Honestly I think they're better than ours. Irving > Harden, Waiters > Lin. Everything else on that team though, sucks. Unlike ours, we have potential at least. Their roster is full of scrubs.
 
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zeller had 15 & 7 in just 24min. and we can't even get royce to show up at the arena..

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Yeah I'm excited about their backcourt. Honestly I think they're better than ours. Irving > Harden
So we're just going to completely ignore defense? I mentioned earlier but Synergy stats had him as the worst defender in the league last season. Byron Scott even publicly called him out on his defense. He's still very young though but to say Irving > Harden now is mind-boggling. The only thing Irving has over him is that he is an elite offensively for his position but Harden is no obviously no slouch on offense either.

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But I'll say this: When they're replacing you with Ramon Sessions for defensive purposes, that might be a sign you have work to do. As good as Irving was on offense, he was a horrifying, flaming train wreck on defense. Synergy rated him the worst defensive player in the league with at least 300 plays defended, opposing point guards ripped him for a 19.0 PER according to 82games.com, and the Cavs gave up 5.0 points per 100 possessions more with him on the court -- even though his usual replacement, Sessions, was himself among the league's most flammable point guards.
 
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In tonight's game, Byron Scott didn't have Irving guard CP3, because of his poor defense. That assignment went to SF Alonzo Gee.

It seems like Irving's Synergy numbers are finally making the rounds. It was amazing how no one talked about it last season.
 

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