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Carl Herrera is offline Old 11-05-2012, 01:37 PM   #1
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The worst thing that can happen to this Thunder season is something that’s reared its head in every single game thus far. That’s egos creeping in and causing players to believe they’re better than. Tonight, much like the first two nights of the 2012-13 season, there was a ton of barking among Thunder players. At the end of the first quarter, Thabo Sefolosha and Russell Westbrook had to be separated from exchanging words as they walked to the bench. It was a show of anger that surprisingly was also seen from the same two as they walked off the court at halftime Friday night. Later, Durant chewed out Serge Ibaka for failing to grab a rebound. And of course there was the usual head-shaking between Ibaka and Kendrick Perkins whenever the paint went left unprotected. The problem is everyone has an opinion and everyone is sharing it. It can’t be that way. There should be two voices on the court. Durant’s. And Westbrook’s. Everyone else needs to fall in line. What’s happening now is that everyone is acting like they know best, almost like they’re the reason for the team’s success, like their poop doesn’t stink and the man’s next to them does. And you can’t help but wonder how much of the attitude has to do with last year’s success and whether it will soon subside or only fester and grow fangs.
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Russell Westbrook effect. He's been barking, sulking, or acting petulant since entering,rhe NBA. It's just rubbing off on everyone else.

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Wasn't it a spat between Westbrook and Thabo that sparked a series of Westbrook trade rumors the next week?

Those two have never seemed to like each other.

It is interesting that, reportedly, Harden was an important locker room presence for OKC even though he had been relegated to a sixth man role.

The Rockets took their locker room leader. Ouch.
 
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They'll be talking about Harden all year in OKC. More bullet points from his "notebook":

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•If the Thunder won this game, Kevin Martin would have been the toast of the town and all would have been right in Thunderland. Instead, Martin’s game-high 28 points off the bench became an afterthought and a few Thunder heads want to revert to “If only we had James Harden.” Please. Just stop.

•Martin was fantastic, and this game was an example of why I think he could soon make Thunder heads forget about Harden. When he gets hot, he can absolutely fill it up. And even when he’s not, he’ll still give you 12 to 15 points. Tonight, he made 8-of-11 shots, including 6-of-8 from 3 and made all six of his foul shots. Halfway through tonight’s game, Martin had fans jumping out of their seats before he even launched his shots. That’s hard to do when, let’s be honest, many fans in the arena probably weren’t terribly familiar with Martin before the trade number one and, number two, the emotions are still lingering over the loss of Harden.
This guy is a terrible writer, btw.

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Maybe there was more to Harden wanting to leave than just money then?
 
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I wonder what selfolasha said to Westbrook lol

probably something along the line of stop taking and bricking contested jumpers you dumbass

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Maybe there was more to Harden wanting to leave than just money then?
Harden didn't want to leave.

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Didn't stop the bulls from winning 6 championships in the 90s. Or Lakers winning with kobe Shaq. I doubt any of their role players will ever voice an opinion over Kd. They'll be fine.
 
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Harden didn't want to leave.
He might not have wanted to leave, but he chose to leave for the money.

And if you are going to say, "Harden was traded." You need to follow it up with "Presti is a liar."

Because Harden was told if he didn't accept their final offer he would be traded to Houston. Harden chose to be traded to Houston.
 
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He might not have wanted to leave, but he chose to leave for the money.

And if you are going to say, "Harden was traded." You need to follow it up with "Presti is a liar."

Because Harden was told if he didn't accept their final offer he would be traded to Houston. Harden chose to be traded to Houston.
Actually, according to some reports, Harden and his agent didn't mind taking less than the maximum, as long as OKC included a trade kicker. In other words, Harden wanted to be compensated if OKC ever traded him, seems pretty fair if we are talking about loyalty.

OKC didn't offer that trade kicker, and Harden turned down the offer.

It's unfair and inaccurate to say Harden left for the money when in truth he would have stayed for less if OKC showed more loyalty towards him.
 
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Didn't want to start something regarding whether he left for the money or not, just thought maybe he did secretly want to leave because of issues in the locker room.
 
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Actually, according to some reports, Harden and his agent didn't mind taking less than the maximum, as long as OKC included a trade kicker. In other words, Harden wanted to be compensated if OKC ever traded him, seems pretty fair if we are talking about loyalty.

OKC didn't offer that trade kicker, and Harden turned down the offer.

It's unfair and inaccurate to say Harden left for the money when in truth he would have stayed for less if OKC showed more loyalty towards him.
Trade Kicker = more money. True or false?
Harden chose to leave. True or false?

I am not upset that Harden left for more money. I think Presti being upfront with him was a mistake in negotiations.

But I am not going to live in fantasy land and say he wanted to stay in OKC. If he did, he needs to fire his agent.
 
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Trade Kicker = more money. True or false?
Harden chose to leave. True or false?


I am not upset that Harden left for more money. I think Presti being upfront with him was a mistake in negotiations.

But I am not going to live in fantasy land and say he wanted to stay in OKC. If he did, he needs to fire his agent.
False and False.

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Definition: A trade kicker -- more properly called a "trade bonus" -- is a clause that increases a player's salary in the event of a trade.
http://basketball.about.com/od/colle...ade-Kicker.htm

If OKC doesn't trade Harden, his salary doesn't go up. Thus, he doesn't get more money. He didn't ask for more money, he was willing to accept less than the max if OKC included a trade kicker.

Second, he didn't choose to leave. He CAN'T choose to leave when he is a RFA. OKC mishandled the situation and didn't want to give him that trade kicker.
 
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Increased salary does not equal more money.
Choosing to be traded where he expects a maximum 5 year deal over accepting a deal means choosing to stay in OKC.

Sure, buddy.
 
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He might not have wanted to leave, but he chose to leave for the money.

And if you are going to say, "Harden was traded." You need to follow it up with "Presti is a liar."

Because Harden was told if he didn't accept their final offer he would be traded to Houston. Harden chose to be traded to Houston.
He wasnt told "take this offer or we will trade you to Houston". They said if he does not take the final offer that they will simply, "trade him"

It just happened to be to Houston.

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Increased salary does not equal more money.
Choosing to be traded where he expects a maximum 5 year deal over accepting a deal means choosing to stay in OKC.

Sure, buddy.
Why are you being so stubborn?

A trade kicker means a player ONLY gets more money if he gets traded, it's a way of protecting himself if OKC ever decides to screw him over. Stop trying to spin this into anything else.
 
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He wasnt told "take this offer or we will trade you to Houston". They said if he does not take the final offer that they will simply, "trade him"

It just happened to be to Houston.
You are probably right on that. I have no idea where I read the 'to Houston' portion. It might have been a random comment on a forum/article.

Wait, I think it was Bill Simmons - same place I first heard about the tradekicker? I am not about to relisten to that podcast, so just going to say ignore that portion.
 

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