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General Petraeus Throws Obama Under the Bus (Benghazi issue)

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  1. Huricane

    Huricane Contributing Member

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    The article states that the statement was released at the direction of General Petraeus.

    "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. ”

    If you have been following the Benghazi issue, you know this statements is in contrast to the previously released statements from the Obama Administration.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/petraeus-throws-obama-under-bus_657896.html
     
    #1 Huricane, Oct 26, 2012
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    can't wait to see the CF refutations
     
    #2 giddyup, Oct 26, 2012
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    The CIA denies the story. Obama says they are still investigating what actually happened.

    Not sure how those two things, taken together, implies that Obama gave an order not to help Americans under attack. That's quite a jump Kristol takes in the final paragraph.
     
    #3 durvasa, Oct 26, 2012
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    Of what. Do a brotha a favor and string together the logical turds that are implied before the katana blade of truth is deployed.
     
    #4 SamFisher, Oct 26, 2012
  5. Huricane

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    If General Petraeus is saying "no one at any level of the CIA told anybody not to help those in need," then he is saying that as the head of the CIA, he did not restrict help.

    This is important because there were several requests for help from the embassy. So the question that is being asked is, who denied help?

    If General Petraeus is saying, he himself did not deny help, then there are only a couple of people above him.
     
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    Intrade just moved 10 pips.
     
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  7. Major

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    What *specific* Obama admin statement does this refute?
     
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    you funny
     
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    May be the requests were not relayed to the right people, or there was a communication mishap somewhere.

    But let's say Kristol is right. Why would anyone in the administration deny to provide help if Americans are being attacked at our embassy? What sort of thought process is being implied here?
     
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    Same thought process that went on an apology tour of the Middle East and an avoidance of shoring up our relationship with Israel. Same process that handed millions of taxpayer dollars to start-up companies to allow them to attempt to compete with Chinese companies doing the same thing and at a competitive advantage. Same thought process that has allowed Iran to get 4 years to acquiring a nuke and has Israel on the verge of war because we are not responding. Same thought process that is triumphing job creation in the backdrop of 23 million people not working. I could go on and on.
     
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  11. Huricane

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    There are numerous statements, including those from Ambassador Susan Rice & Secretary Clinton stating that that the attacks were the result of a movie about Mohammed, and that this was the best available intelligence. We now know that this is incorrect. The attacks were encouraged by individuals sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt that also had ties to Al Qaeda.

    Emails leaked to the Associated Press show that security officials in the US knew about what was going on in real time.

    The most recent statement is from the former CIA director, and the current Secretary of Defense, Leon Panetta. He said they did not have enough information to intervene. This is outlined in the following article in Fox News:

    Military lacked enough information to intervene during Benghazi attack
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...tervene-during-benghazi-attack/#ixzz2ASmyJOdb
     
    #11 Huricane, Oct 26, 2012
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    Words in bold = waste of time to read.
     
    #12 ROXTXIA, Oct 26, 2012
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    So what contradicts what panetta said?
     
    #13 vlaurelio, Oct 26, 2012
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    Durvasa, Libya was being held as the one positive outcome of the Arab Spring. With Tunisia, Algeria, Yemen and Egypt seen as failures, Libya was the one bright sport. However, Libya's President just got sacked, and the parliament wants to move to a more conservative sharia law based government/legal system.

    If we have to go in with men and air-support, (which we did not have to do earlier to help liberate Libya) against the same people we helped to help topple Qaddafi, then it will look like the Arab Spring was a failure.
     
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    ROXTXIA, please tell me why you think TheWeeklyStandard.com is a waste of time?

    Is it because they report things you do not like?
     
    #15 Huricane, Oct 26, 2012
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    None of what you posted is any way related to or contrary to this:

    "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. ”
     
    #16 Major, Oct 26, 2012
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    Which it was. Those people don't know how to do anything besides slaughter other humans to get their way. The whole world would be better off with an Imperialist America keeping the peace and running the Middle East. And I'm not an advocate for Imperialism. I'm just saying it's better than the alternative of those guys doing their own thing over there.
     
    #17 jopatmc, Oct 26, 2012
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    Huh.

    Is it the same thought process that requires no research? There's about 5 things wrong with your statement, but let's start with the first and obvious one...

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/79162.html

    Not to mention his constant refrain of pro-Israeli positions and signage of new aid (which along with his generally weak attitude on fiscal regulations, and weak positions on the constitution when it comes to pursuing security at any cost have to be the major sticking points of this administration), you'd have to be delusional to think Israel somehow is "losing out".
     
    #18 Northside Storm, Oct 26, 2012
  19. durvasa

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    How does not providing defense when our guys are under attack make it look any better? I'm sorry, this really doesn't make sense to me.
     
    #19 durvasa, Oct 26, 2012
  20. Northside Storm

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    oh yeah, America-supported Mubarak Egypt was loads of fun. Just like Shah Iran. Human rights. pssh.

    and they hate America because of "American freedoms". sheesh.
     
    #20 Northside Storm, Oct 26, 2012
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