1st All Time NBA greatest Draft FINAL!!!

[IzakDavid13]

Team Sigmund

PG: Gary Payton
SG: Kevin Durant
SF: James Worthy
PF: Willis Reed
C: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Bench:
SG/PG: Manu Ginobili
SF/PF: Robert Horry
PF/C: Shawn Kemp

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Team Jamers

PG - Rajon Rondo
SG - Reggie Miller
SF - LeBron James
PF - Wes Unseld
C - Hakeem Olajuwon

Bench:
SG/SF - Michael Cooper
PG - Kevin Johnson
C - Bill Walton


People, finally time to vote.

First to 8 votes wins!

Let's get ready to rumble!

[IzakDavid13]

Originally Posted by IzakDavid13 Team Sigmund PG: Gary Payton SG: Kevin Durant SF: James Worthy PF: Willis Reed C: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Bench: SG/PG: Manu Ginobili SF/PF: Robert Horry PF/C: Shawn Kemp --------------------------------- Team Jamers PG - Rajon Rondo SG - Reggie Miller SF - LeBron James PF - Wes Unseld C - Hakeem Olajuwon Bench: SG/SF - Michael Cooper PG - Kevin Johnson C - Bill Walton People, finally time to vote. First to 8 votes wins! Let's get ready to rumble!

FINALS!

Gary Payton vs Rajon Rondo
Gary Payon wins this one on one match up hands down. One of the most underrated guards to have ever played the game. His defence was sublime, and his ability to score as well as run an offence puts him in the upper echelon of Point guards. Rondo is a great defender and runs the offence well, but until he can hit that outside jumper consistently, he will struggle against points that can play some D.
Sigmund


Kevin Durant vs Reggie Miller
Reggie could shoot that rock, but would he be able to stop Durant? In a word NO. Durant proved this season that he can take a team to the finals, lead the league in scoring and posses an all round game. Durant.
Sigmund

Worthy vs LeBron
What is scary is, I don't believe that we have seen the best that LeBron has to offer, and he is already one of the All-Time greats. I love Big Game James, but he has no chance against the King with his new ring.
Jamers

Reed vs Unseld
Both these guys were bruising big men. Both rebounded the ball well, but the edge goes to The Captain, Willis Reed...just.
Sigmund

Kareem vs Hakeem
Hakeem...nuff said.
In all seriousness, Hakeem would win this matchup with his all round game, but it would be close, very close.
Jamers

Bench
SG/PG: Manu Ginobili
SF/PF: Robert Horry
PF/C: Shawn Kemp
Vs
SG/SF - Michael Cooper
PG - Kevin Johnson
C - Bill Walton

Battle of the bench...
Kevin Johnson is a machine...he put up Isiah like numbers for a few seasons, but gets little love.
Cooper was an amazing defender and could also score the ball on the wing.
Bill Walton, when healthy, was a beast down low.

Manu is Manu. Horry, big Shot Bob, in his prime was an athletic run & gun player who could lock down other small forwards defensively or drag opposing power forwards outside with his 3 point shooting.
The Rainman was the Rainman. A phenomenon of a player, able to change a game with his defence and offence, especially running the break.

Slight edge to Sigmund

Team offence
Both teams can put up numbers, but I close my eyes and imagine Reggie catching open looks from Dream and LeBron.
The Dream shake doing a Robinson on Kareem.
It would be close, especially with Manu and Payton to Kemp off the bench, but Jamers takes this one...just
Jamers

Team defence
All time leader in Block shots, Wes Unseld, LeBron and Rajon...with Cooper and Walton off the bench, that is Defence.
Up against Kareem, Reed and Payton...Horry & Kemp could also block shots, but advantage...
Jamers

Team chemistry

As much as I would love to see Hakeem win this...I see Gary Payton to Kemp, the Seattle connection with Durant. Then You have two clutch Spurs in Horry & Manu.
With the substitutions in they could have a line up of

Payton
Ginobili
Durant
Kemp
Abdul-Jabar

But then With K.J in I see
Kevin Johnson
Miller
LeBron
Unseld
Olajuwon...that big 3 just blows my mind!

But a decision has to be made...

Winner is

Sigmund

In a 7 game series 4-3... Every game going into overtime.

[Jamers]

ill probably lose in one-on-one matchup. but Durant on SG? Reed on PF? and his bench is better, really? I see KJ and Walton be a starter in any of the teams, having them on the bench is overpower.

but then again, i have to respect your decision lol

[IzakDavid13]

Originally Posted by Jamers ill probably lose in one-on-one matchup. but Durant on SG? Reed on PF? and his bench is better, really? I see KJ and Walton be a starter in any of the teams, having them on the bench is overpower. but then again, i have to respect your decision lol

It was really, really close...and Olajuwon is my favourite player of all-time.

The weakness was at Power forward and Point guard.

But a big 3 of Hakeem, LeBron & Miller makes me salivate.

[RedNation]

Too close to call....

Jamers in game 7: 139-138 triple ot.

[VBG]

Team Offense -

I think it's dead even. Both are elite. I think this is the exact team that Rondo and Lebron would thrive in. They could both run and pass with Reggie spotting up for open 3s. Hakeem and Unseld would help here too. Reggie would be amazing running around Unseld's picks (he is regarded as one of the best screeners of all time). In the halfcourt backing of Rondo might work but Kevin Johnson off the bench is amazing. But giving space would allow him to set up Lebron and Hakeem beautifully.

Sigmund's team is more of a halfcourt team. Most unstoppable shot ever with Kareem. Durant would provide fantastic spacing. He is a mismatch at the 2. Much more traditional offense.


Team Defense -

This is where Jamers has the significant advantage. Sigmund's team is solid even though I don't like Durant at the 2 running around picks trying to guard Reggie. There is a reason he played better when he was shifted to the 3/4.

But Lebron, Rondo, Unseld and Hakeem. Michael COoper off the bench. Reggie was tough as well. That is insane. The help and recovery ability is amazing.


Bench

Jamers. Kevin Johnson fits perfectly. Bill Walton can pair with Hakeem and become insanely tall. He is also insanely skilled. And Michael Cooper is a great off ball cutter and defender.


Jamers in 6

[JumpMan]

Frontcourt- Who has the better FC

Sigmund: Worthy, Reed, Kareem, Kemp, Horry

Jamers: James, Unseld, Olajuwon, Walton

I think Jamers' frontcourt has advantages in every facet of the game. In terms of numbers and talent, Sigmund has a slight offensive advantage, but all of Jamers guys will get more opportunities because of the great passing and unselfishness of James, Unseld, and Walton. Defensively, Kareem is outstanding, but so is Olajuwon and Olajuwon has James and Walton to help him out. Rebounding wise, again, Kareem and Olajuwon are neck and neck, but Olajuwon's support on the boards is better than Kareem's.

Backcourt- Who has the better BC

Sigmund: Payton, Durant, Ginobili

Jamers: Rondo, Miller, Cooper, Johnson

Sigmund's backcourt is better. Defense, playmaking, and scoring from Payton; scoring from Durant, and all-around play from Ginobili. Jamers' backcourt is a great fit with its three passers and shooter, but the talent is just too overwhelming.

Bench- WHo has the better bench

Sigmund: Ginobili, Kemp, Horry

Jamers: Cooper, Johnson, Walton

Can't ignore the talent on Jamers' bench. Cooper was an excellent defender, Johnson was a great pointguard, an Walton, at his prime, was an epic player whose injury concerns we can overlook because of his role as backup big man. For Sigmund, Ginobili is nice and so is Kemp, but Horry? He's a great option to have on a final play of the game, but he's going to have to play some minutes during the game to get into some sort of rhythm and, IMO, he was not this good.




In terms of how they'd play, I think the mix of Jamers' team will get more out of its players than Sigmund's. Offensively, Sigmund has four players in his starting lineup that posted up to get their points and he has two centers (Reed could play power forward but the Knicks didn't takeoff until he moved to center) and two small forwards in his lineup. Jamers, on the other hand, has one postup player in Hakeem, a pure point guard, a pure shooting guard, a garbage man power forward, and a small-forward that can do it all.

Defensively, Sigmund is going to have some problems. Who guards James? Does Durant chase Miller around? Payton? Then Durant has to hang with Rondo. IMO, Kareem will have to play a masterful series against Dream to negate all the damage James and Miller will inflict on their defenders. He can definitely do that, but Hakeem can do the same to him as well.

The rebounding battle goes to Jamers.

Overall, I just see the fit of team Jamers that makes sense; you really have to use your imagination to see how team Sigmund would counteract Jamers' chemistry.

Jamers in 6.

[RedNation]

3-1. Let's do best of 7. It's time to get this draft over with

[IzakDavid13]

Originally Posted by RedNation 3-1. Let's do best of 7. It's time to get this draft over with

It was close to a sweep, I almost came back and changed my mind...so close.

Best of 7 or first to 8?

More suspense in first to 8...suddenly the judges have come back to life!

[RedNation]

Originally Posted by IzakDavid13 It was close to a sweep, I almost came back and changed my mind...so close. Best of 7 or first to 8? More suspense in first to 8...suddenly the judges have come back to life!

If you do first to 8, it will take a good 2 to 3 weeks.

[JumpMan]

If Sigmund plays a lineup of Payton, Ginobili, Durant, Worthy, and Kareem... That would make this series very interesting. Then again, who plays point off the bench? Manu could play around 32-35 minutes a game, add that to Payton's 42 and Sigmund would need to fill in around 20 minutes of guard play with Durant. That's still significant.

The new front court definitely takes a beating on the boards, but it fits so much better on offense and it doesn't take a hit defensively because Unseld was not a scorer. Willis Reed can then play backup center minutes and Kemp can come in at power forward. Addition by subtraction.

This adjustment makes this a very close 7 game series, IMO, but I still go with Jamers because they're still better on defense and on the boards.

[IzakDavid13]

Originally Posted by RedNation If you do first to 8, it will take a good 2 to 3 weeks.

We can still vote on GOAT II while voting on this final...we're not going anywhere anyway

Jamers has it in the bag.


I say the winner should get a rep from everyone. Agree?

[Jamers]

Originally Posted by IzakDavid13 We can still vote on GOAT II while voting on this final...we're not going anywhere anyway Jamers has it in the bag. I say the winner should get a rep from everyone. Agree?

That's perfect lol

Thanks for voting izak, vbg, rednation, jumpman....

[Horry33]

For pretty much all the reasons that most you mentioned especially VBG...I vote for Jamers

[BigMaloe]

My problem with jamers teams is rondo is such a ball in hand facilitator and lebrahn is a point forward... bur lebrahns versatility is amazing and i see no complaints... also we unseld isnt gonna space the floor much for hakeem to avoid the doubles or get proper spacing...

I dont like sigmunds wing combination... i can see durant aliding from the 3 to the 2 and vice versa but i dont see worthy doing that... so durant is essentially stuck at the 2... i also think reed is causing the same spacing and double team problems as jamers... both teams essentially have 2centers...

Pg edge- sigmund... payton is better i believe plus he has manu to give spot rest while rondo is resting he has kj(altho im figuring lebrahn would take over point-forward duties) so i feel like its a waste of depth...

Wings edge- jamers... lebronbron and miller is a fantastic mixture... miller is the spot up for hakeems passes out of double teams(durants spot up is nothin to shake a stick at for kareems passes either) and lebron is everywhere... i jus dont like the mixture of worthy and durant... it doeant seem to mesh well for me... durant would give miller fits but hell have to help on bronbron because worthy isnt containing his versatility...

Frontcourt edge- jamers... i obviously think hakeem is better and view unseld and reed as a wash...

Bench edge- sigmund... i like how his bench can come in and play multiple positions thus making sure everyone is rested and out of foul trouble... and i feel jamers wasted depth...and has no true pf...

Im going with…

Jamers in 7

[123Rockets]

I pick Jamers: Too good of a bench.

[Yung-T]

Sigmund, I don't see a Rondo-Bron-Unseld combination working at all.

Playmaking is a problem though with Payton as the only playmaker along with Manu.
Durant owns Reggie on both ends.
Worthy and James, slight edge to Bron because of playmaking.
Reed rapes Unseld.
Kareem is too much for Hakeem.
Manu gives you a good playmaker and great allround player off the bench. Horry in his prime was athletic and your clutch shooter. Kemp as PF/C is nice for a small ball line-up.
Jamer has a great bench, too, especially with Kev and Walton. Walton owns Kemp with his defense and ball-iq.

All goes down to the starting line-up, Rondo+Bron+Unseld is not well thought out in my opinion, it just wouldn't work together, whereas Payton+KD+Worthy+Reed+Kareem is a cohesive unit with great allround game, offense and defense and shooting.

Sigmund wins.

[Jamers]

Originally Posted by Yung-T All goes down to the starting line-up, Rondo+Bron+Unseld is not well thought out in my opinion, it just wouldn't work together, whereas Payton+KD+Worthy+Reed+Kareem is a cohesive unit with great allround game, offense and defense and shooting. Sigmund wins.

Originally Posted by Yung-T Now that I'm a judge I looked at it more detailed and have to agree with jumpman. Jamers has world class defense at every position and a great mixture of unselfish guys that paly for the team, hustle and are very quick on transition defense&offense. All guys can pass it and the role mixture just seems better than on a team with Oscar, Kobe, Pierce, Yao who are all not world class defense. I basically don't see the system behind Maloe's team, what is his offense scheme? A team with Rondo, Reggie, Bron, Unseld, Hakeem AND an all-time great with Walton that is a beast on both ends, runs, hustles and is known for his outlet passes, Kevin Johnson who was a beast in his prime...that's a killer mix of units you can throw on the court. A guy like Hakeem, Unseld or Walton gets the rebound or they block a shot and then you have the most dangerous transition imaginable with Rondo and James being able to coast, Reggie being open for a 3. You have Walton and Hakeem being able to run and pass or finish with ease over their slower opponents. I think Hakeem would dominate Yao on offense with his unique skillset, speed and footwork while he would be able to contain him on defense. LeBron has the edge over Pierce, Pettit and Unseld are on par. Looking at the bench, Arizin and Lucas are no issue as Walton(one of the best of all-time and Cooper(eight all-defense teams) will handle them. Then you have the issue of having to overplay Lebron or Oscar at point or throw in Dragic, who would get killed by Kev Johnson. Jamer's team is perfectly built and thought out, they are all-time great on both ends and deadly on transition and passing. They can slow it down or out-pace their opponents with ease. If you really look at it I'd say Jamers would win this in 6 games.

I think there is conflict between the posts lol... Thanks though

[Yung-T]

Originally Posted by Jamers I think there is conflict between the posts lol... Thanks though

It's about match-ups always. You have the liability in Unseld and one guy has to help him out vs. KG. That can only be done by Bron or Hakeem, but no sane mind would double KG when that leaves Worthy or Kareem open. I just think Sigmund's line-up brings the bad things in your team to the light in a way that few units can, therefore it may have sounded like a conflict at first.

[IzakDavid13]

It Jamers leading 6-2