Two Things to Remember - Page 2

knote32 · 06-29-2012, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by thetatomatis

Yes. Let me educate you.

12thLamb
16thZeller
18th a gamble but very minor????? one pick later.. Your Royce White anyways.

(Royce White would have been picked by Dallas)

I can NOT believe that someone would take Tyler Zeller over Royce White. Boy you must be outside your mind...

Carl Herrera · 06-29-2012, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Raven

Morey failed to bring home a five, and every GM in the league sees that hole in our roster. You don't think they're going to dig a bit deeper because of it?

And it's not just the draft, but the season leading up to it. To lose out on Meyers because we won six more games than Portland, and Portland helped us win games by trading us Camby, and we helped Portland lose games by accepting him!

Leonard isn't likely to fill anyone's hole at center as a rookie. You draft him and you still pretty much have the same need.

And, as I said, the season is months away. Free agency hasn't even started yet.

thetatomatis · 06-29-2012, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by knote32

(Royce White would have been picked by Dallas)

I can NOT believe that someone would take Tyler Zeller over Royce White. Boy you must be outside your mind...

I dont think it was out of the realm of possibility he lasts one more pick. After Dallas already has Dirk Nowitzki at PF. They dont value converted PF to SF's like we do. I could argue about with you all night about how Royce White could drop one more pick to the Rockets later. Its so small a jump I would rather not on such a small thought.

IzakDavid13 · 06-29-2012, 02:57 AM

Let's just hope that we got

The Rolls Royce of the draft..

Yeeeeeeeeah!

knote32 · 06-29-2012, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by thetatomatis

I dont think it was out of the realm of possibility he lasts one more pick. After Dallas already has Dirk Nowitzki at PF. They dont value converted PF to SF's like we do. I could argue about with you all night about how Royce White could drop one more pick to the Rockets later. Its so small a jump I would rather not on such a small thought.

It was reported that Dallas wanted Royce White badly, look it up fancy pants.

Also, look up some Royce White. Sounds like you haven't a clue...

thetatomatis · 06-29-2012, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by knote32

It was reported that Dallas wanted Royce White badly, look it up fancy pants.

Also, look up some Royce White. Sounds like you haven't a clue...

I am wearing shorts. I havent been wrong yet. Look it up.

JayGoogle · 06-29-2012, 03:07 AM

We'll see. You are right that there's a lot of time left.

But the logjam scares me and has me thinking we drafted guys just to trade them in the future. Sometimes I worry that Morey is too much of an asset collector instead of a team builder.

madmonkey37 · 06-29-2012, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JayGoogle

We'll see. You are right that there's a lot of time left.

But the logjam scares me and has me thinking we drafted guys just to trade them in the future. Sometimes I worry that Morey is too much of an asset collector instead of a team builder.

Its hard to build a team with only mid round draft picks.

knote32 · 06-29-2012, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by thetatomatis

I am wearing shorts. I havent been wrong yet. Look it up.

You think that you're too cool for school, but I have a newsflash for you Walter Cronkite

You AREN'T...

thetatomatis · 06-29-2012, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by knote32

You think that you're too cool for school, but I have a newsflash for you Walter Cronkite

You AREN'T...

I am.

JayGoogle · 06-29-2012, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by madmonkey37

Its hard to build a team with only mid round draft picks.

Harder to build a team also when you are taking guys with the hopes that other teams will take them at a later date as well.

Carl Herrera · 06-29-2012, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JayGoogle

Harder to build a team also when you are taking guys with the hopes that other teams will take them at a later date as well.

Who would you have picked at 16th and 18th?

thetatomatis · 06-29-2012, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by knote32

You think that you're too cool for school, but I have a newsflash for you Walter Cronkite

You AREN'T...

“I don’t know how to put this but I’m kind of a big deal.”

thekad · 06-29-2012, 03:23 AM

Yeah guys, let's be more patient. We've only been runningbin place for three years. I say we muddle around the middle of the first round for at least a few more.

Four more years! Four more years!

Carl Herrera · 06-29-2012, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by thekad

Yeah guys, let's be more patient. We've only been runningbin place for three years. I say we muddle around the middle of the first round for at least a few more.

Four more years! Four more years!

What "impatient" draft picks or trades would you have made on draft night?

JayGoogle · 06-29-2012, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Herrera

Who would you have picked at 16th and 18th?

Would have taken Royce. Think him and Morris could battle it out for back up 3...

Jones is who i'm having the problems with here. Would have taken any big man (even Melo) over him at this point because this one guy is going to make PT hard to come by.

I'm sure he's a good player and as odd as it sounds this is not a good thing because dividing PT between Jones, Patterson, Scola, Motiejunas OR Parsons/Jones/White/ Morris is not going to be good. Someone is going to be disgruntled...

prs325 · 06-29-2012, 03:34 AM

Hey, hey guys relax... Lets keep in mind the big picture. Ah... what is it again? lol

HTown5933 · 06-29-2012, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by tallanvor

Fair enough Carl, but lets say the summer league starts and this log jam still isn't clear; then is it reasonable to be upset? When is the appropriate time to panic if this isn't cleaned up? start of regular season?

Carl is right.

As of right now, if all three first round picks are signed and we bring D-Mo over, we'll be "committed to" SEVENTEEN players. This does not include re-signing Dragic.

If they are intent on doing that, we'll be three players over the maximum number we can carry.

If in fact, a center is going to be targeted in free agency (Camby, Asik, Kaman?), we'll need to move at least four players.

SOMETHING has to give. Sure, it could be something as simple as eating Fortson, Brockman (or Livingston) and Simpson's salaries by releasing them. But, I know that's definitely not the plan.

There's no question Morey will be attempting to make a couple of deals and get the roster down to fifteen (by doing the three for one or four for two type of deals, I assume).

By getting Livingston and picking up Fortson's option, it won't be surprising if Lowry is still moved. This combined with the stack of PF's we have and there's still likely some nice possible options out there.

Carl Herrera · 06-29-2012, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JayGoogle

Would have taken Royce. Think him and Morris could battle it out for back up 3...

Jones is who i'm having the problems with here. Would have taken any big man (even Melo) over him at this point because this one guy is going to make PT hard to come by.

I'm sure he's a good player and as odd as it sounds this is not a good thing because dividing PT between Jones, Patterson, Scola, Motiejunas OR Parsons/Jones/White/ Morris is not going to be good. Someone is going to be disgruntled...

I think it's pretty clear that somebody is gonna get shipped at some point this summer. Les, Morey and McHale said they didn't have the urgency to shift everyting around, but they are just telling the other teams that they are not gonna take 50 cents (or even 85 cents) on the dollar just to "balance the roster." They'll make trades just like they already did with Budinger and Dalembert.

I don't think I'd taken Fab Melo over Jones just because of position. Hell, I am not sure you are not better off sticking Terrence Jones as your center today than playing Fab Melo there. Jones just has such a higher skill level. All Melo does is block shots in the middle of a zone (which he won't get to play in the NBA).

JayGoogle · 06-29-2012, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Herrera

I think it's pretty clear that somebody is gonna get shipped at some point this summer. Les, Morey and McHale said they didn't have the urgency to shift everyting around, but they are just telling the other teams that they are not gonna take 50 cents (or even 85 cents) on the dollar just to "balance the roster." They'll make trades just like they already did with Budinger and Dalembert.

I don't think I'd taken Fab Melo over Jones just because of position. Hell, I am not sure you are not better off sticking Terrence Jones as your center today than playing Fab Melo there. Jones just has such a higher skill level. All Melo does is block shots in the middle of a zone (which he won't get to play in the NBA).

Hey if they get the trades done and balance the roster than bravo. I'm not writing it off yet but I just think it may be better to draft guys you plan on using then just picking guys up as bait for other teams.

I hope I'm wrong. Maybe they do really like White and Jones and the guys they are planning to ship off are guys they are disappointed in like Morris.

I guess some of these guys are going to Rio Grande any ways with our history, but it's going to be a mess if this is the Roster they start the season with.