Doc Rocket: "All will be super happy on Thursday."

[Rocketman95]

Originally Posted by DonnyMost I don't think he can single-handedly carry a team either (cornerstone meaning one of a few important pieces). But he can be a 2nd offensive option and a 1st team defensive player. Weak center era or not, that is something I want on my team. If only he didn't have a terminal case of the stupids.

Nuh-uh. Rockets are big stupid heads if they trade for Bynum and I hereby announce to everyone that I WILL NEVER EVER WATCH THEM AGAIN if Bynum is traded to the Rockets.

[DieHard Rocket]

Originally Posted by ima_drummer2k Agree to disagree. I don't think he's a franchise cornerstone at all. I don't think he's anything more than a slightly better than average center in an era of really bad centers. He'll get you some rebounds and blocked shots, but I don't think he will ever be a #1 scoring option for any team.

I don't like the guy and his injury history scares me, but you are not giving him much credit here. You are right that it is an era of really bad centers, but he's definitely a top 5 low-post scoring threat in the league and maybe top 3.

His footwork drastically improved over the last two years, making him nearly unstoppable in the paint. The problem last year was that his pushover head coach and egotistical shooting guard didn't get him the ball enough. He's about to be every bit as good as Yao was in the low post during Yao's best years -- I think any of us would take that back in a heartbeat.

[moestavern19]

Bynum is still immature, but he channels his anger onto the court, ala KG. The bad is he also loses his temper and does idiotic things. Phil isn't there to keep him on the Karma leash anymore, and we saw what happened with Mike Brown trying to reign him in, dude thought he could shoot 3s and nobody would say anything to him. Immature all the way.
Figures though, the Lakers have one bad season in the past 15 years and it nets them a franchise big. There is no luckier team on the planet. I remember when Bynum was drafted as a snot nosed 17 year old who wouldn't even take down his myspace page. I don't think anybody thought he'd ever bloom into the dominant force that he is right now. He's a head case and a possible cancer, but there is no denying his ability.

Gasol on the other hand is criminally underrated on this forum and it never ceases to amaze me. He's the most offensively skilled big since Duncan. He gets some sort of "soft" label, and at times he has been tentative or submissive, but keep in mind the nature of being second fiddle to Kobe, he understood his role. He can score so effortlessly at times and is a very intelligent basketball player. He's not a spring chicken, but a skill set like that doesn't start to diminish this early.

[Rudyc281]

Some people (shaq) feel like Bynum is better than d12

[Rocketman95]

Originally Posted by moestavern19 Bynum is still immature, but he channels his anger onto the court, ala KG. The bad is he also loses his temper and does idiotic things. Phil isn't there to keep him on the Karma leash anymore, and we saw what happened with Mike Brown trying to reign him in, dude thought he could shoot 3s and nobody would say anything to him. Immature all the way. Gasol on the other hand is criminally underrated on this forum and it never ceases to amaze me. He's the most offensively skilled big since Duncan. He gets some sort of "soft" label, and at times he has been tentative or submissive, but keep in mind the nature of being second fiddle to Kobe, he understood his role. He can score so effortlessly at times and is a very intelligent basketball player. He's not a spring chicken, but a skill set like that doesn't start to diminish this early.

I'm almost hoping to end up with those two.

[Drew_Le]

I think the twin towers of Bynum and Gasol are > D12.

Bynum's low post game is devastating, and you can see that his touch and moves around the hoop are more polished than Dwight's. Gasol is also an excellent post player in addition to being the best high post big man in the game. Having those two touch the ball every possession instead of the most overrated player ever, Kobe, jack up threes would really show how potent they are.

[rockbox]

Originally Posted by Rudyc281 Some people (shaq) feel like Bynum is better than d12

I think Bynum is a better offensive player but he doesn't play with the same energy as Dwight. Dwight is also a better defensive player.

[spankz141]

Dragic/??
Lee/??
Parsons/Morris
Gasol/Josh Smith?
Bynum/Camby

That is one hell of a starting line up. Easily can compete in the west. Not sure about depth though.

[BEAT LA]

Dwight doesn't want to play in LA, and the Lakers don't want to "rent" Dwight. Stop posting these line ups, it disgusts me.

[RedDynasty]

Originally Posted by spankz141 Dragic/?? Lee/?? Parsons/Morris Gasol/Josh Smith? Bynum/Camby That is one hell of a starting line up. Easily can compete in the west. Not sure about depth though.

Not trying to sound like a Kobe homer, but I'm pretty sure if Kobe couldn't win with them the last two seasons, they sure as hell aren't gonna win one here.

[Deckard]

Originally Posted by MadMax There once was a man from Nantucket...

Who's head got stuck in a bucket.
He followed a trade, instead of getting laid,
And most definitely didn't say **** it!

[ima_drummer2k]

Originally Posted by Rudyc281 Some people (shaq) feel like Bynum is better than d12

Doesn't Shaq have some sort of personal problem with Dwight?

Does everyone feel the same way about acquiring Bynum if the lakers get Howard and the Magic get a bunch of 1st round picks?

Personally, I'd rather use our picks to move up and get some young players to build around. Once they're here, PLAY THEM. I don't know why the Rockets are so adverse to playing younger guys and letting them learn on the job.

[ROXTXIA]

Originally Posted by Carl Herrera I don't know why folks are upset about this "rumor" if it's true. It says Orlando gets Bynum and a "lotto pick," which can be as low as the 14th pick. It says Lakers gets Dwight plus a pick that they can used on Perry Jones. That sounds something like the 16th pick given his draft stock. To make the salaries match, the deal can look something like: ORL sends Howard to LAL LAL sends Bynum to ORL HOU sends Scola+16th pick+Dalembert+Morris to LAL (Lakers was reported to have been high on Morris during the 2011 draft). HOU sends 14th pick to ORL LAL sends Gasol to HOU Looks good to me. Gasol, Josh Smith, Eric Gordon, plus keeping Goran Dragic.

Your trade proposal makes you look like more of a Lakers fan than even Morey.

I like Pau Gasol, I'd take him over Howard's b***y self, but why, why, why would we pay so much to get him?

I know you throw Morris in because you think he's a bust. You seem dead set on that so I won't try to change your mind but I think the kid can play.

So, we'd give up Scola (okay, but not worthless at all), the #14, the #16, Marcus Morris, and, say, Dalembert, and wind up with PAU GASOL?

No. Way.

I know where you're going with this. We tried to overpay for Gasol before, having a plan to re-sign Chuck and add Nene, and we could overpay again with other complimentary pieces as our goal.

Even then, no.

[Juxtaposed Jolt]

Originally Posted by RedDynasty Not trying to sound like a Kobe homer, but I'm pretty sure if Kobe couldn't win with them the last two seasons, they sure as hell aren't gonna win one here.

Kobe jacked up shots when Bynum and Gasol were clearly better options.

A lineup of Dragic / Lee / Parsons / Gasol / Bynum would be strong at every position.l

[Deckard]

Originally Posted by rockbox I think Bynum is a better offensive player but he doesn't play with the same energy as Dwight. Dwight is also a better defensive player.

Since people are carrying on about Bynum now, which I understand, chaos being the operative word at the moment, I just thought I would point out that he has one year left on his deal, and could walk after next season as well. Food for thought, don't you think?

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pa...ies/lakers.jsp

[Kate81]

Originally Posted by iconoclastic Getting Dwight, Deron, AND JSmith would be awesome.

I just started reading this thread today. I had to stop to reply to this.

Just thinking outloud... scenarios like this... if this sort of **** were to happen, Morey would have to be a ****ing magician.

[Sooty]

much rather rent Howard for a season then Bynum!

[Plowman]

Originally Posted by Garner Bynum is, at times, the best center in a league that has very few centers. Sure he is a knuckle head, but he is entering his prime. How can you be upset with acquiring top tier talent? Bunch of girls on this board.

I'd take Bynum without his history of injuries over Howard...hands down. The knucklehead thing doesn't bother me. He's still so young. It gets tricky here though.

Can you make a guy with his injury history the cornerstone of a franchise? How long before he's done? Lots of downside risk....

That said, Bynum's just now starting to turn from a manchild into a full grown monster....and will blow up even more if he gets out of LA.

He's lived in LA his whole life, has the close relationship with the Buss's, the Lakers have so much invested in him ....and have reaped returns.

Still, maybe they WILL sell high because of the injuries. I would.

[clutch citizen]

Originally Posted by Doc Rocket If you don't believe everything you hear... Rely on faith. And all Will be super happy -on- Thursday. One way or the other...right? On a side note, I wanted Drummond, Moultrie, Lamb, but most of all, I wanted Terrence Ross. Why would I want Ross? It's weird! Oh well... Maybe in another universe, everything can happen differently and I can be happy! Clutch, I agree, how can Drummond be the target now? Morey ain't gonna have nothing to do with those numbers! Is he?

We are hearing Dwight won't re-sign in Houston for sure. Have faith that it will get done ...

... because Deron Williams' signing will follow to form the next super friends. One way or the other ... we have our star (Dwight leaves, we still have Deron).

Side note implies he wants to keep draft picks. Not happening since it's in past-tense.

The draftees names are an indication of what pick the Rockets have deals for. Estimated, Drummonds = top 10, Moultrie/Lamb/Ross = top 20. Rockets will have 4 first round picks flipped for Dwight.

The universe comment means that it's a done deal. In another universe other than reality, he would be happy if everything was different with the Rockets actually using the picks.

[Stilldream'n34]

Super happy= Gay? Rudy Gay?