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Thanks....
Morey is stating the obvious
but the whole "it is the second year after Yao" statement is horse crap,
that is making excuses once a season starts all over again

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How do you make it work from a timing standpoint where you want to get a deal done but a free agent might want to see how things develop first?

DM: I think the reality is it’s always (a situation) where we’ll want to get something done early. I agree, they may want to wait but our business as a franchise is to add good players and if they can’t commit early then it obviously creates some risk for him to end up in the situation I think he wants to end up in. But my sense is we will get it done early. That’s our hope.
Interesting. If the Rockets were truly going to use their cap room this summer, they'd want to "wait" (i.e., no more than a private, wink-wink deal, perhaps) with Dragic in order to keep his cap hold at $4.0 million. The second there is a real AGREEMENT to the terms of a new contract, I believe that Dragic's cap hold will increase to first year salary of his new deal.

But, I suppose "getting their guy" is more important than playing games around the salary cap.

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I bet we end up trading our picks for cash and 2nd round picks, or late first round picks. I give it a 10% chance of us actually trading up in the draft.. It's going to be another disappointing draft for the Rockets, leading to another lackluster season.
 
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Yeah, lots of it is just talk. Not sure I buy that the Rockets think there are at least 16 players that will be solid picks with the Rockets having both the #14 and #16 pick.

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The nice thing is that after maybe the first three-to-five guys, it’s pretty flat.
This I found to be interesting, not because it's something we've never heard before but because the Rockets apparently aren't totally sold on one of Robinson, Beal or MKG.
Drummond and Barnes I could/would have guessed, but I didn't expect him to say this draft might be 3-deep at the top.
 
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I bet we end up trading our picks for cash and 2nd round picks, or late first round picks. I give it a 10% chance of us actually trading up in the draft.. It's going to be another disappointing draft for the Rockets, leading to another lackluster season.
I'm starting to feel that way too.

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Were you saying something up there?
 
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Yeah, lots of it is just talk. Not sure I buy that the Rockets think there are at least 16 players that will be solid picks with the Rockets having both the #14 and #16 pick.
I think that wasn't meant to intimate that there's a substantial drop-off after the "top-16". He said AT LEAST 16 guys. The entire point of his statement was that he wasn't worried about "the last guy they really liked" (like almost happened with Patterson or Morris) going off the board before they can make both their picks.

I happen to agree with the statement, too. There are several players in that range who could fall to 18 or 19 who would be very solid picks.

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Every year Daryl talks confidently about the ability to move up -- in fact, in his first few years, he even told media he had deals he could exercise to move up. He didn't do that this time, so may look tough to get way up this time.

I'm going to guess 14 and 16 alone gets you to 9 or 10, tops.

It is interesting he said there are 16 guys they like this year... maybe he's bluffing, but it reflects how I feel about this draft... there are players that I prefer, but I don't worry about getting someone good in those spots. I think it goes 20 deep easily and I wouldn't even mind flipping a pick for Boston's two picks at 21 and 22, though I know there is no way we're adding three guaranteed first round contracts.

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Yeah, lots of it is just talk. Not sure I buy that the Rockets think there are at least 16 players that will be solid picks with the Rockets having both the #14 and #16 pick.
That is HIS top 16. That doesn't mean (and never means) that Morey's top 16 will go in the first 16 picks.

He said last year there was 8, the year before 10. I'm pretty sure he also got one of them in PPat that he had as top 10, right?
 
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I think that wasn't meant to intimate that there's a substantial drop-off after the "top-16". He said AT LEAST 16 guys. The entire point of his statement was that he wasn't worried about "the last guy they really liked" (like almost happened with Patterson or Morris) going off the board before they can make both their picks.

I happen to agree with the statement, too. There are several players in that range who could fall to 18 or 19 who would be very solid picks.
Fair enough. I just found it to be curious that it's 16 players, not 15 or 17. Obviously could be a coincidence I guess.
 
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Interesting. If the Rockets were truly going to use their cap room this summer, they'd want to "wait" (i.e., no more than a private, wink-wink deal, perhaps) with Dragic in order to keep his cap hold at $4.0 million. The second there is a real AGREEMENT to the terms of a new contract, I believe that Dragic's cap hold will increase to first year salary of his new deal.

But, I suppose "getting their guy" is more important than playing games around the salary cap.
Noticed the same thing. I think "getting it done early" may not be something that really prevents them from pursuing an outside free agent-- makes managing the mechanics of things somewhat harder, but you can get around it.

Specifically, during the 10-day moratorium period, the Rockets can settle on a deal with Dragic and pursue other possibilities (be it a FA signining or a salary-eating trade) that require holding Dragic at the $4 million cap hold during the 10 day period. They can then arrange it so that the Dragic signing is done moments after the other deal is done.

My guess that if there is a big $ FA to be signed, this will get settled during the moratorium. In the case of a restricted FA, they just need to wait 3 additional days to formally sign Dragic. The kind of deals that don't get done until later in the summer are probably going to involve more minor players and it's not really worth delaying signing Dragic to pursue such players (the one exception perhaps being a Dwight Howard trade, but Orlando might well settle it as early as draft night).


Also, they also have other ways to open up cap room-- Courtney Lee is a restricted FA, he can always be let go or renounced (should an important enough deal presents itself), Kevin Martin and Luis Scola can be traded or even amnestied.

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Interesting. If the Rockets were truly going to use their cap room this summer, they'd want to "wait" (i.e., no more than a private, wink-wink deal, perhaps) with Dragic in order to keep his cap hold at $4.0 million. The second there is a real AGREEMENT to the terms of a new contract, I believe that Dragic's cap hold will increase to first year salary of his new deal.

But, I suppose "getting their guy" is more important than playing games around the salary cap.
Yea you don't want to leave him open to where some team swoops in and changes his mind. You can get away with that with a player like Hill because the risk is low but there is too much interest in Dragic to gamble even for the possibility of a good FA signing.
 
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Is Marcus Morris still in his top 15?



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A likely wink-wink deal and wait to sign Dragic could be a scenario where Dragic wants to sign but demands that we trade Lowry, and Morey says, "well, give me one month to do that; you and I need to get value for him...so let me do my job and we'll get this done. Give me one month, OK." Dragic, "sure, ok. send me some more Rockets shorts though, my other one is dirty."
 
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Yeah, lots of it is just talk. Not sure I buy that the Rockets think there are at least 16 players that will be solid picks with the Rockets having both the #14 and #16 pick.
it depends on if the Vipers have any openings. Seriously though I am all for rebuilding but I am not sure adding a 14 and a 16 and DMo is what this team needs unless they plan on unloading some current players for future picks or making some 3 for 1 trades. Otherwise they truly are just going to sit and rot.
 
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A likely wink-wink deal and wait to sign Dragic could be a scenario where Dragic wants to sign but demands that we trade Lowry, and Morey says, "well, give me one month to do that; you and I need to get value for him...so let me do my job and we'll get this done. Give me one month, OK." Dragic, "sure, ok. send me some more Rockets shorts though, my other one is dirty."
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Thank god no one in the Rockets organization would EVER do that, right Kevin McHale?

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everyone...shhhhhhh

Maybe Clutch should delete all posts talking about wink wink deals.
 

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