Will the Rockets acquire both Dwight & Deron this offseason?

[caneks]

no chance on any one of them

[jopatmc]

Originally Posted by HMMMHMM Oh, I have little doubt that Dwight will be moved. I just think that with Hennigan as the GM it's now even more unlikely than before that Howard will be traded to the Rockets. .................

So, where do you think Howard will go?

[jopatmc]

Originally Posted by Moonscope I actually think our offer in your scenario is better than what NOH can offer. I'm not really high on Aminu or Jack. Jason Smith is ok, and Xavier Henry hasn't really proven anything. Vasquez is ok, but let's compare the 2. - Dally & Martin's Expiring (18mil expiring at the end of the 2012-2013 season or 1.5mil buyout with 11mil expiring at the end of the 2012-2013 season) compared to 22mil expiring of Lewis (could be bought out for 13mil I hear). First of all, Martin and Dally will give better production for the year if both are kept. There is only 4mil difference in the expiring contracts plus Martin would be easier to move come deadline than Lewis is (IMO). - #10+#46 vs #14+#16+future Dallas pick. Depends on the draft really but in this draft class I would prefer the #14+#16 selection as there could be 2 good rotational pieces or you could flip one for assets/picks later or in a later draft. - Xavier Henry vs Marcus Morris. I prefer Marcus but both haven't really shown anything on the NBA stage yet so let's call this one a wash... - Aminu vs Patterson. Again both haven't really shown heaps of promise but Patterson wins in this head to head. - Lowry vs Jack/Jason Smith/Vasquez. Lowry is the better player with a better contract than all of these combined. If ORL wanted more expiring contracts and a servicable big in Smith then sure, but with the production Lowry can give I can't see that happening. Lowry could easily get them back better assets than these 3 if traded later down the track. I honestly still think that the HOU offer is better than the NOH offer that you proposed. I also don't see Dwight working well along side Davis. Admittedly I haven't seen much of Davis, but isnt he an athletic Shot blocker with a lack of offensive ability? Why would you want to pair 2 shot blockers together crowding each others space? I think Dwight needs to be next to a hustle player that can shoot the open shot out to 18 feet e.g. Scola. Dwight/Camby Scola/DMo Parsons/Bud Lee/J Rich Dragic (or maybe Dwill) / Ish smith? / Duhon That is a really solid lineup. You could alternatively put DMo in the starting lineup to spread the floor and have Scola in the 2nd group providing a post game (he was getting double teamed last season). thoughts?

Interesting.

Don't forget a combination of Lowry and our #14 should land a top 5 pick.

Not to mention Martin's expiring can likely be parlayed into a first rounder and perhaps even a couple contracts that can be bought out (Miller and/or Webster).

[Fullcourt]

Tbh I don't think anything is worth getting excited over until Orlando actually indicates they are seeking a trade. If they want to wait and see if Dwight would consider staying, one have have to think that hurts our chances.

[Moonscope]

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/st...51211985166336

Don't know how to post tweets properly - someone please let me know.


Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
Dragging out GM search would suggest Magic have delayed decision over Dwight's fate again. New guy supposed to sort this out by draft day?


This certainly would be a difficult situation coming into but I would suppose that any person in the GM interviews would have given their strategy in dealing with Dwight and possible trade scenarios.

[J.R.]

You see the link you posted? You should see in that link, a little under the tweet it says 'Embed this tweet', a box will pop up, copy the code from there, paste the code here and there you have it!

Anywho, as I've previously said, I don't think he's moved by draft night.

[Moonscope]

Dragging out GM search would suggest Magic have delayed decision over Dwight's fate again. New guy supposed to sort this out by draft day?

— Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) June 21, 2012

Sweet thanks

[nolimitnp]

[Aruba77]

what if ....monkeys fly out of my butt

[JoeBarelyCares]

Originally Posted by jopatmc So, you tell me what teams have the best opportunity to acquire Dwight this summer. I'm saying: 1. Orlando 2. Houston 3. Boston 4. Clippers (if they pop both bigs) 5. Lakers (if they pop both bigs) Where do you think he's going?

If Golden State is one of the rental teams as rumored, I think they can offer a better package than the Rockets: Bogut, Dorell Wright and the #7 pick for Dwight.

[juanm34]

My magic 8ball predicts yes!

[ctry2582]

Stein just posted an article that it's between Dallas or Brooklyn. I dunno how to paste from my phone, either.

[Omer]

You have to love @dmorey. Every time I check in w/sources close to a big free agent the last few years, Houston's name is always mentioned

— Chris Mannix (@ChrisMannixSI) June 24, 2012

[houston#1]

Originally Posted by Omer You have to love @dmorey. Every time I check in w/sources close to a big free agent the last few years, Houston's name is always mentioned — Chris Mannix (@ChrisMannixSI) June 24, 2012

I believe in Morey.

[ObamaFan]

If Morey gets Deron Williams and Dwight Howard, he should recieve a lifetime contract with the Rockets

keyword is "IF"

[JoeBarelyCares]

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/stor...ks-sources-say

Sources: Deron Williams prefers 2

Updated: June 24, 2012, 12:35 AM ET
By Marc Stein | ESPN.com

When NBA free agency begins at midnight July 1, Brooklyn Nets star guard Deron Williams will be choosing from a two-team list that only features the Nets and the Dallas Mavericks, according to sources close to the situation.

Sources told ESPN.com on Saturday night that, while this summer's No. 1 free agent remains "up in the air" about which team he'll ultimately chose, Williams already has made the decision to narrow his list of potential destinations to those two franchises.

Other teams, including the Phoenix Suns, Portland Trail Blazers and Houston Rockets, had been hoping to lodge their own bids for Williams once free agency begins, sources said. The Los Angeles Lakers, likewise have continued to express interest in a sign-and-trade package built around Pau Gasol for Williams, sources say, despite the Nets' longstanding insistence that they have no interest in Gasol and would only consider such a move if they were getting back All-Star center Andrew Bynum, whom the Lakers have not made available.

Sources say Williams, in any case, already has instructed his representatives to advise any team that calls starting at 12:01 a.m. July 1 that he intends to either re-sign with the Nets or return to his hometown with the Mavericks after a glittering high school career in the Dallas area.

The Nets have expressed confidence all season in their ability to retain Williams, pointing to the team's forthcoming move to Brooklyn, increased off-court marketing opportunities for Williams with a team bound for New York and the fact that Russian billionaire owner Mikhail Prokhorov can offer a contract one-year longer than Dallas can worth nearly $100 million.

The maximum four-year offer the Mavericks can counter with approaches $75 million. But sources close to the process say Williams has ruled out every other suitor apart from the 2011 champions because of his respect for Mavs cornerstones Dirk Nowitzki and Jason Kidd and his belief that owner Mark Cuban would make the follow-up moves necessary to return Dallas to title contention after a first-round exit in the 2012 playoffs.

While Williams is already settled in the New York area and known to have enjoyed his time living there, sources say he already has done some preliminary househunting in Dallas this month in the event that he chooses to return to the Western Conference. He's been with the Brooklyn-bound club since Feb. 23, 2011, when the Utah Jazz followed up the New York Knicks' acquisition of Carmelo Anthony by dealing Williams to Prokhorov's Nets, who had chased Anthony for months.

During a promotional appearance in Los Angeles earlier this month, Williams made it clear that he'll choose the team he feels is best positioned to contend for a championship fastest, expressing disappointment that he has tasted very little of the playoffs since leading Utah to the Western Conference finals in 2007.

"I want to go to a place where I feel like they will have a chance to build and build fast," Williams told the Los Angeles Times. "I'm not really in the mood for being part of a rebuilding process. I'm getting older. I'm about to be 28. I want to win. I want to win now. Also, I want to live in a place where I want to live and my kids will enjoy living. That's pretty much it."

The decision, then, would appear to be riding on which team's future he rates higher.

The Nets are hoping the expected re-signing of swingman Gerald Wallace, big man Brook Lopez's pending return from foot trouble and Prokhorov's pledge to keep trying to trade for Orlando Magic center Dwight Howard ultimately will convince Williams to stay.

The Mavs' pitch centers around Nowitzki's proven ability to lead a team to a championship, Cuban's history of repeatedly reloading the roster and Dallas' contention that the path to the Finals might be slightly easier in the West in spite of the Oklahoma City Thunder's collection of talented youngsters, given that several of the West's top contenders -- such as San Antonio and the Lakers -- have older rosters.

Williams' mother, Denise Smith, told ESPNDallas.com's Jeff Caplan in an interview this week that even she doesn't know which team Williams will choose. But she did say she expects her son to end the suspense quickly.

"No, no I don't (know)," Smith told ESPNDallas.com by phone from her home in the Dallas suburb of The Colony. "I thought he was going one way and another time thought he was going another way."

"I think he and his agent have gone over all of the possibilities and I think it (his decision) will be made pretty fast," Smith continued. "I think he wants it out of the way, just because I know I'm asked every day, so I know he's asked a million times.

Williams and his wife, Amy, who first met in the second grade, have four children. In recent offseasons, though, Williams has based his family in Utah, San Diego and Manhattan, preferring to keep some distance from his Texas roots.

The All-Star guard is scheduled to join his Team USA teammates in Las Vegas on July 5 for the first day of training camp before the London Olympics, but Williams will likely be forced to sit out practices until July 11, which is the first day new contracts can legally be signed this offseason.

[jopatmc]

Originally Posted by JoeBarelyCares If Golden State is one of the rental teams as rumored, I think they can offer a better package than the Rockets: Bogut, Dorell Wright and the #7 pick for Dwight.

1. I don't think GS will rent Dwight at this point because they will have no way to add Deron to entice him to stay. For them to trade for Dwight, they're gonna have to get a commitment from him to extend there.

2. I don't think that trade you brought up gives Orlando enough. If they trade Dwight, they are rebuilding. Therefore, they will want to move out contracts with Dwight. Your deal doesn't do that.


IMO,

the teams that have the best shot at landing Dwight are:

1. Orlando - they're still the frontrunners.

2. Houston - we can trade them a pile of youngsters, expirings, and picks and take back a couple of their bad contracts (One of JRich/BigBaby and one of QRich/Duhon), and still have enough cap room to go after DWill with a max contract.

3. Boston - they could pony up Pierce and Rondo and take back Hedo and go after DWill in free agency.

4. Clippers - if they decide to offer up both Blake and Deandre

5. Lakers - if they decide to offer up both Bynum and Gasol. But then they have no way of obtaining DWill.

6. Portland could package 6, 11, and some young talent.

7. New Orleans could offer 10, 46, next years first rounder, and several expiring contracts and take back salary and still have enough room to go after Deron.

[jopatmc]

Once again, remember what is happening here.

If you understand that DWill and Dwight are trying to get to the same team understand the dynamic. DWill can say anything he wants to say right now. He's an unrestricted free agent. So, he's trying to use verbal leverage to get Orlando to move his man to one of those two destinations. DWill will stay in Brooklyn to be Robin to Dwight's batman. And he'll gladly go home if he can't play with Dwight. He's putting this out there mainly to try to deter teams that would trade for Dwight on a rental basis.

All I will say is this, IF DWIGHT IS TRADED TO HOUSTON, Morey will be on the horn talking to DWill and DWill is going to have to listen. He may decide not to come here but him and Dwight are going to have to listen to the plan.

DWill
Dragic
Parsons
Dwight
Motie

with
Duhon (or somebody)
Lee
Kirilenko
Camby
Big Baby

is a championship contending team. And Morey has the pieces to get it done if Orlando decides to trade him and rebuild.

[HillBoy]

Originally Posted by jopatmc Once again, remember what is happening here. If you understand that DWill and Dwight are trying to get to the same team understand the dynamic. DWill can say anything he wants to say right now. He's an unrestricted free agent. So, he's trying to use verbal leverage to get Orlando to move his man to one of those two destinations. DWill will stay in Brooklyn to be Robin to Dwight's batman. And he'll gladly go home if he can't play with Dwight. He's putting this out there mainly to try to deter teams that would trade for Dwight on a rental basis. All I will say is this, IF DWIGHT IS TRADED TO HOUSTON, Morey will be on the horn talking to DWill and DWill is going to have to listen. He may decide not to come here but him and Dwight are going to have to listen to the plan.

I think this "dynamic" that you are seeing is one that you want to see. I realize that there's been a lot of speculation in the media in that Williams & Howard want to be on the same team but that stems more from what happened in Miami than anything else (the theory being that all of the star players will want to play with each other). I would have to classify this happening in Houston as more wishful thinking than anything else. Up here in Dallas, I have been hearing exactly what Stein reported for the past month. DWilliams doesn't have to listen to Morey at all. Even if Morey makes the trade for Howard, I just don't see him signing an extension to stay on without some sort of commitment or indication from DWilliams that he will come here to play. And I don't see Williams doing that unless Howard first signs that extension. I really see your point here - that Howard & Williams are somehow secretly pulling another "Superfriends" scenario - but I just don't buy it.

[Furious Jam]

Originally Posted by JoeBarelyCares http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/stor...ks-sources-say Sources: Deron Williams prefers 2 Updated: June 24, 2012, 12:35 AM ET By Marc Stein | ESPN.com When NBA free agency begins at midnight July 1, Brooklyn Nets star guard Deron Williams will be choosing from a two-team list that only features the Nets and the Dallas Mavericks, according to sources close to the situation. Sources told ESPN.com on Saturday night that, while this summer's No. 1 free agent remains "up in the air" about which team he'll ultimately chose, Williams already has made the decision to narrow his list of potential destinations to those two franchises. Other teams, including the Phoenix Suns, Portland Trail Blazers and Houston Rockets, had been hoping to lodge their own bids for Williams once free agency begins, sources said. The Los Angeles Lakers, likewise have continued to express interest in a sign-and-trade package built around Pau Gasol for Williams, sources say, despite the Nets' longstanding insistence that they have no interest in Gasol and would only consider such a move if they were getting back All-Star center Andrew Bynum, whom the Lakers have not made available. Sources say Williams, in any case, already has instructed his representatives to advise any team that calls starting at 12:01 a.m. July 1 that he intends to either re-sign with the Nets or return to his hometown with the Mavericks after a glittering high school career in the Dallas area. The Nets have expressed confidence all season in their ability to retain Williams, pointing to the team's forthcoming move to Brooklyn, increased off-court marketing opportunities for Williams with a team bound for New York and the fact that Russian billionaire owner Mikhail Prokhorov can offer a contract one-year longer than Dallas can worth nearly $100 million. The maximum four-year offer the Mavericks can counter with approaches $75 million. But sources close to the process say Williams has ruled out every other suitor apart from the 2011 champions because of his respect for Mavs cornerstones Dirk Nowitzki and Jason Kidd and his belief that owner Mark Cuban would make the follow-up moves necessary to return Dallas to title contention after a first-round exit in the 2012 playoffs. While Williams is already settled in the New York area and known to have enjoyed his time living there, sources say he already has done some preliminary househunting in Dallas this month in the event that he chooses to return to the Western Conference. He's been with the Brooklyn-bound club since Feb. 23, 2011, when the Utah Jazz followed up the New York Knicks' acquisition of Carmelo Anthony by dealing Williams to Prokhorov's Nets, who had chased Anthony for months. During a promotional appearance in Los Angeles earlier this month, Williams made it clear that he'll choose the team he feels is best positioned to contend for a championship fastest, expressing disappointment that he has tasted very little of the playoffs since leading Utah to the Western Conference finals in 2007. "I want to go to a place where I feel like they will have a chance to build and build fast," Williams told the Los Angeles Times. "I'm not really in the mood for being part of a rebuilding process. I'm getting older. I'm about to be 28. I want to win. I want to win now. Also, I want to live in a place where I want to live and my kids will enjoy living. That's pretty much it." The decision, then, would appear to be riding on which team's future he rates higher. The Nets are hoping the expected re-signing of swingman Gerald Wallace, big man Brook Lopez's pending return from foot trouble and Prokhorov's pledge to keep trying to trade for Orlando Magic center Dwight Howard ultimately will convince Williams to stay. The Mavs' pitch centers around Nowitzki's proven ability to lead a team to a championship, Cuban's history of repeatedly reloading the roster and Dallas' contention that the path to the Finals might be slightly easier in the West in spite of the Oklahoma City Thunder's collection of talented youngsters, given that several of the West's top contenders -- such as San Antonio and the Lakers -- have older rosters. Williams' mother, Denise Smith, told ESPNDallas.com's Jeff Caplan in an interview this week that even she doesn't know which team Williams will choose. But she did say she expects her son to end the suspense quickly. "No, no I don't (know)," Smith told ESPNDallas.com by phone from her home in the Dallas suburb of The Colony. "I thought he was going one way and another time thought he was going another way." "I think he and his agent have gone over all of the possibilities and I think it (his decision) will be made pretty fast," Smith continued. "I think he wants it out of the way, just because I know I'm asked every day, so I know he's asked a million times. Williams and his wife, Amy, who first met in the second grade, have four children. In recent offseasons, though, Williams has based his family in Utah, San Diego and Manhattan, preferring to keep some distance from his Texas roots. The All-Star guard is scheduled to join his Team USA teammates in Las Vegas on July 5 for the first day of training camp before the London Olympics, but Williams will likely be forced to sit out practices until July 11, which is the first day new contracts can legally be signed this offseason.

Remember this is Marc Stein, who lives in DALLAS, and who covered the Mavs for 5 years before joining ESPN. He's being fed this information by the Mavs. Take it with a grain of salt.

I still say if we get Dwight on draft night, Deron will come here. Seriously, would you rather play with 34 year old Dirk or 26 year old Dwight?