first post, so figured id introduce myself. im a junior that goes to IU but I was born and raised in houston. i watch every rockets, astros, and texans game. i come on this site a lot but never post. okay-- does anybody else think we may try an amnesty kevin martin? he's lost any trade value. he's set to make 12 mil next year and then he's a free agent i believe. i say he's a viable option to drop, bc we could attempt to sign eric gordon with a frontloaded offer that the hornets would not like to match. we then trade kyle lowry for big men (can part with ppatt or scola...donuts coming in) / whatever morey so decided to receive...then sign gogi? i think were in for a semi-major overhaul this offseason. esp. after the stern botched trade. the way i see it, we have a lot of valuable movable pieces with three 1st rounders, lowry, a servicable and possibly young big man.
I don't buy the notion that Martin has lost all of his value. He sure isn't as valuable a piece (asset ) as he was last summer, but I still believe there are handful of teams that not only would trade for him, but give up something of value as well. So, no I don't think amnestying Martin will be an option, at all.
Probably not, for the same reason that the Rockets kept guys like Hasheem Thabeet and Jonny Flynn over others (like Jeremy Lin). Martin is still a useful player, but he's also a $12 million expiring contract. With no realistic max free agent options (I'm not holding my breath on getting D-Will), it is TRADES that will be the most likely avenue for improvement. Even if Martin sucks next season (I personally think he'll be just fine), his contract might be the linchpin (salary-wise) to any major trade this summer or up to next February's trade deadline.
Morey is highly unlikely to amnesty Martin for the following reasons: 1. You only want to amnesty a guy if you need salary cap space for something-- most likely a FA signing. The only major move that might require the Rockets to open up significant cap space this year would be to sign Deron Williams-- which most likely won't happen. Even if by some chance Williams shows interest Houston, the team can more easily open up the necessary cap space by letting Dalembert, Lee and Dragic go. The same thing goes with fantasies of Eric Gordon (RFA, most likely won't chase) or any other signings-- you can easily find the cap room to chase any free agent without wasting the amnesty clause. 2. Martin's contract, with only 1 year left on it, can easily be traded for no money in return if you want the cap space. Minnesota, for example, can trade the non-guaranteed deals of Brad Miller and Martell Webster (plus maybe a draft pick) for Martin. There are also other teams with cap space and can use a shooter/scorer on a 1 year commitment. 3. Also, the Martin expiring contract, come trade deadline, will be an interesting commodity even if Martin isn't playing well. Why rid yourself of trade flexibility unless there's something clearly to be gained from it? 4. Morey knows it is idiotic to just amnesty a guy without having a clear purpose for the cap room to be created and acts accordingly. For example, the Rockets were talking about amnestying Thabeet last year in order to sign either Nene or Marc Gasol. The team didn't just go ahead and amnesty Thabeet, but waited to see if these signings would in fact materialize before making a decision (ultimately, the signings fell through and they kept Thabeet). One can expect him to act the same way with regard to the amnesty clause going forward.
Bima - you are smarter than this. I've watched too many expirings go for nada to believe there is any strong chance that martin returns any value in a trade. simply look to what it cost us for Camby.
This would be very strange if it did happen. It would be a waste to cut him with one year left on his contract. If his play doesn't give him any value, then he has at least some pull as trade bait/expiring contract to some team out there.
If not to sign DWill, the only other possibility of amnestying Martin is if a team like Orlando doesn't want his salary back in a trade for Dwight and Hedo and if we can't find a 3rd team to take him off our hands for a draft pick. I can see Orlando possibly wanting the cap space, but, in a salary dump/cap space scenario for them, I would think they would prefer to get rid of Scola's longer term salary, which should be easily moved for a draft pick.
As Bima alluded to, Martin's still has value as an asset. You can definetely get something back for him plus you don't have to waste the amnesty on him. Maybe Morey can send him to the Knicks for Stoudemire and Landry Fields or Shumpert and then amnesty Stoudemire (if the CBA allows that). Everyone knows Amare probably wont last 3 years of that hideous contract.
Sure, but the fact remains that every FA that you'd amnesty Martin in order to sign can be signed with cap room created by means other than amnestying Martin. There is a remote chance for the Rockets to land an elite FA, especially a restricted FA. The Rockets are not going to touch that amnesty clause until they have a player already hand that requires the cap room.
He can be amnestied by the Knicks, he was on their roster prior to the new CBA - that's the condition for the clause to be valid. He, however, can not be traded to another team and than amnestied. That's not allowed. As of Martin, why do that? You won't need the cap and he has value as an expiring contract at the very least.
why the hell would he !! hes expiring next yr more of a trade chip during draft time of trade deadline , rockets wont amnesty anyone everyone is tradeable
Sorry chump. They have no amnesty left. They're stuck like chuck unless they can trade him away. Which isn't happening.
I expect Scola to be amnesty'd before Martin. Martin is an expiring contract while Scola is set to make $30 million for 3 more seasons.
I dont think so - Not a one year contract. Im almost positive that there will be a team willing to take on the final year of Martins deal to create cap space inthe following year if for nothing else. The amnesty option could be put to much better use on a guy with a longer deal who is going to be difficult to move otherwise. If anyone gets amnestied , I think its Scola who is under contract for three more years at $9,408,207 , $10,224,622 , $11,041,037 and is highly likely to decline over that period of time. A lot depends upon what they do in the draft and free agency - They could wait another year (or two) before using the amnesty option.
