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What does what a player make matter? It is not our money, let's keep our talent and get better.

So much roster turnover is just keeping that treadmill alive, who is a core player on this team?

Do we have one? I would argue that Dragic might be our ONLY core player on the roster.

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What does what a player make matter? It is not our money, let's keep our talent and get better.
It matters because there is a salary cap.

Again, I love Dragic and he has been playing really great over the last 15, 20 games or so since he has been getting extended minutes (he's no. 4 on the ESPN player rater for the last 15 games ), but the thing that doomed us for a long time was CD giving out fat contracts to people like Cato, Taylor, Maloney, Moochie, etc., after they had a stretch of good games.

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The way he has been playing, $10M/year seems like a bargain.
What? He's started only 14 games this year, and only 24 for his entire career. I love Dragic as much as the next guy but I don't know where everyone has gotten this 10 million dollar # from.

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Here we go again.... Dragic is a nice player and I really like his game but I think people are overvaluing him again.... Like many other good players on the Rockets. Good to great pg's are a dime a dozen in this league. On average the draft usually produces about 2 franchise/superstar pg's. In addition there's always quality PG's that are starter material that can be found later on. This offseason we had 3 (Lowry late 1st, Dragic a 2nd rounder, and of course Undrafted Lin) and we really only knew about 1 of them. My point is I'd love to keep Dragic but if someone overpays for him ... It's not going to be the end of the world like some of you guys are making it out to be.
It's definitely not the end of the world.

Assuming Dragic continues to play at this level, if a team decides to give him a ridiculous contract that hinders our cap space and stops us from going after an all-star like Deron Williams (who we could be the necessary piece to go after Howard), then there is no point giving that much to Dragic.

Afterall, assuming Dragic continues to play at this level, the discrepancy in production between him and Lowry is not near significant enough to warrant the limitation of our cap space flexibility.

That being said, I do wish we could keep him. We could also run a Dragic/Lowry backcourt. That's the best case scenario.

And I trust Morey's judgment if he does choose to give Dragic a sizable contract.
 
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People need to stop with the D-Will/Dwight crap, we won't get them. It's good to have hopes and us having scenarios where we acquire stars, but these two guys will never be on this team.

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Would you pay Dragic 10M per season?
$10 million? I doubt any team would offer him that. $8 or $9 million might happen, but it epends on what he does the rest of the season and, hopefully, playoffs.

So far, Dragic has started 14 games this season and put up star-level numbers (17 pts, 9 assists in 37 mpg, 52% FG, 43% 3 pt shooting, 22+ PER for a competitive team) in those 14 starts. However, these numbers are well above his career average even on a per-minute basis. So, you gotta ask whether he can sustain something close to his recent level of performance. His shooting % over 14 games, in particular, could be the result of a hot streak. If he does not sustain it, you run the risk of being stuck with a bad contract.

Remember, Darren Collison? As a rookie in New Orleans, he averaged 18 pts and 9 assists a game in 37 games as a starter replacing Chris Paul. They traded him for Trevor Ariza and he hasn't put up similar numbers since. Any team making Dragic a big offer will have to think about this kind of examples.

In any case, a decision on Dragic doesn't need to be made until after the season (technically, the sides can reach agreement on an extension right now, but I think they would opt to wait for more info rather than try to negotiate a contract in the middle of a playoff race). If the team reaches the playoffs and Dragic has a good performance both in the remainder of the season and in the playoffs, he can get a substantial offer. If his performance drops off in the remainidng 14 games of the season (and playoffs), the $ will be much less.


For those people who thinks Dragic will make $10 million a year. Let me ask this: When is the last time that a PG made $10 million a year out of 1/2 season worth of star level performance after his 4th year?

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People need to stop with the D-Will/Dwight crap, we won't get them. It's good to have hopes and us having scenarios where we acquire stars, but these two guys will never be on this team.
Forget it. They will never stop and they think the Magic will take Martin and Budinger and a protected first to get em. It 's the old "Our Players or more valuable than your players until your players become our players", syndrome! All the other team's GMs are stupid and we can only accept a deal where we rape them.
 
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carl dont u know that dragic has lewis agent
 
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Who are the potential threats to steal Dragic?

Off the top of my head:
Portland ($23M in cap)
Charlotte ($10M in cap)
Phoenix (if Nash walks, $23M in cap)
NJ Nets (if Deron walks, $39M in cap)
Dallas (if Deron doesn't walk, $16M in cap)
New Orleans (though if they are league-owned, it is unlikely, $17M in cap)
LA Lakers (all they can offer is an MLE but if Sessions walks, the prestige might attract him)

All those teams at cap and do (or could) have a need at PG (which is quite a lot). Outside of Deron, Dragic is probably the best starting PG on the open market (I think he is better than Sessions personally). Wouldn't be surprised if most of them have an eye on him. I don't think 3 years, $30M is out of the question.

Not saying they will offer around $10M/yr+ (possibly between $7M-$10M per year) but they easily could given how well he is playing (and if they do, we have to hope him/his agent gives us a chance to match which we should)
I dunno how hurt he was that the Suns traded him, but I wouldnt be surprise if they tried to sign him if Nash leaves.

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$10 million? I doubt any team would offer him that. $8 or $9 million might happen, but it epends on what he does the rest of the season and, hopefully, playoffs.

So far, Dragic has started 14 games this season and put up star-level numbers (17 pts, 9 assists in 37 mpg, 52% FG, 43% 3 pt shooting, 22+ PER for a competitive team) in those 14 starts. However, these numbers are well above his career average even on a per-minute basis. So, you gotta ask whether he can sustain something close to his recent level of performance. His shooting % over 14 games, in particular, could be the result of a hot streak. If he does not sustain it, you run the risk of being stuck with a bad contract.

Remember, Darren Collison? As a rookie in New Orleans, he averaged 18 pts and 9 assists a game in 37 games as a starter replacing Chris Paul. They traded him for Trevor Ariza and he hasn't put up similar numbers since. Any team making Dragic a big offer will have to think about this kind of examples.

In any case, a decision on Dragic doesn't need to be made until after the season (technically, the sides can reach agreement on an extension right now, but I think they would opt to wait for more info rather than try to negotiate a contract in the middle of a playoff race). If the team reaches the playoffs and Dragic has a good performance both in the remainder of the season and in the playoffs, he can get a substantial offer. If his performance drops off in the remainidng 14 games of the season (and playoffs), the $ will be much less.


For those people who thinks Dragic will make $10 million a year. Let me ask this: When is the last time that a PG made $10 million a year out of 1/2 season worth of star level performance after his 4th year?
Agree.. I think he the will get between 6-7 million max . This may be his breakout year , but the no GM will blindly throw money at him just because he averaged 17/9 in the last 30 games.
 
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People need to stop with the D-Will/Dwight crap, we won't get them. It's good to have hopes and us having scenarios where we acquire stars, but these two guys will never be on this team.
We were close to landing D-Will but Jazz didn't want to trade to a conference rival. I don't see why we suddenly have no chance of acquiring him.
 
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Because he's now with the Nets and wants to end his career with the next team. You already know it's Dallas and Dwight wants to join him. Rockets are nowhere in their thoughts.

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For those people who thinks Dragic will make $10 million a year. Let me ask this: When is the last time that a PG made $10 million a year out of 1/2 season worth of star level performance after his 4th year?
I don't know. But when is the last time so many teams were under the cap and so little talent was available. Some team is going to overpay for someone this summer and Dragic is definitely one of the best available.

I do agree he will have to sustain but if we make the playoffs and he shines in those games and plays consistently he is a solid bet to get good money. And in the end all you need is one to overpay. Noone overpayed for Landry and we got a good deal on him but Scola got one team to overpay overseas and he got his money.
 
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TMac was pretty meh in Toronto during his first 3 seasons (IIRC more of a defensive specialist his first couple of years but showed offensive improvement during his third year though not elite) but landed a near max deal with Orlando prior to exploding for 25 PPG+ year in year out.

EDIT: League maximum of 6 years, $67.5M following a 15 PPG and 6 RPG season (his best season)-http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/news/2000/07/12/mcgrady_magic/
 
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Because he's now with the Nets and wants to end his career with the next team. You already know it's Dallas and Dwight wants to join him. Rockets are nowhere in their thoughts.
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We know Dallas is in contention, but no reports states that Dallas is his only destination.

Lakers were in serious contention for Howard, look where that ended up. One moment Howard wants to go to the Lakers, the next Howard has Lakers off his list because he doesn't want to be play second to Kobe.

It's certainly not wishful thinking, Williams is within the realms of possibilities.
 
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seriously??? How are we supposed to get better with albatross contracts like Martin's? Doesn't matter?! Please.
His contract is not an albatross, it is reasonable for a 20ppg SG contract.

You need BIG contracts to trade for superstar players who make BIG money.

If you have $10 in one hand you can not trade for a $20 player with only $10...

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I don't know. But when is the last time so many teams were under the cap and so little talent was available. Some team is going to overpay for someone this summer and Dragic is definitely one of the best available.

I do agree he will have to sustain but if we make the playoffs and he shines in those games and plays consistently he is a solid bet to get good money. And in the end all you need is one to overpay. Noone overpayed for Landry and we got a good deal on him but Scola got one team to overpay overseas and he got his money.
Scola isn't overpaid.

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I don't know. But when is the last time so many teams were under the cap and so little talent was available. Some team is going to overpay for someone this summer and Dragic is definitely one of the best available.

I do agree he will have to sustain but if we make the playoffs and he shines in those games and plays consistently he is a solid bet to get good money. And in the end all you need is one to overpay. Noone overpayed for Landry and we got a good deal on him but Scola got one team to overpay overseas and he got his money.
I think many teams will sign guys to big one year contracts (like the ones Humphries, Landry, Kwame Brown and (sort of) Dalembert) got this past year since Dwight and CP are due for free agency in 2013 (again).

I think people know now that they shouldn't sign guys to huge long deals just cuz they got cap room. The Nets made this mistake in 2010.


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Scola isn't overpaid.
I know right, this is hilarious, Morey has people thinking that just because Lowry is vastly underpaid that the rest of the team will settle for the same thing.

Players deserve to make what the market bares...Hell Kyle had to fricken sign with CLEVELAND to get Morey to pony up a lower end amount.

Scola is a right sized contract, as is Martin.....lots of underpaid Rocket players - probably due a raise at some point, which means more turnover.

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Scola isn't overpaid.
Yeah maybe. Just meant if he wasn't offered overseas money and willing to take it we would have gotten him for less. Morey had no intention of paying him that type of Money until he threatened to walk.
 

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