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basso is offline Old 03-27-2012, 07:25 PM   #1
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so much promised, but now, it's gone baby, gone.

VDH writes well, and cuts to the heart of the national debate occasioned by the Trayvon Martin tragedy, and those who'd profit from it, from the usual race hucksters on the left, Al, Jesse, Luis, and even The Won himself, to the media generally, with an indictment of all those who'd jump to conclusions...which includes many on this board.

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Racial-Relations Regression
By Victor Davis Hanson
March 27, 2012 9:26 A.M. Comments54
The Trayvon Martin tragedy, by the time the entire process is played out, will reflect poorly on lots of people and groups, who in mob-like fashion have weighed in before all the facts in the case are fully aired. We have reached the nadir when the civil-rights community decries the release of further pertinent information about Mr. Martin as gratuitously defaming the deceased — with the implicit understanding that incomplete and leaked information so far has been welcomed if it reflected poorly on the alleged perpetrator.

The narrative of the shooting unfortunately changes every 24 hours, which suggests the media saw a preliminary narrative it liked and then adorned it in a manner to ensure sensationalism and polarization. Now as the collective fit subsides, the vigilante becomes a neighborhood watch designee; the German-named, white racist shooter is found to be half-Hispanic with plenty of friends of all races; Trayvon Martin is not, as his widely-circulated photo suggests, a pre-teen with an unblemished school record, but a 6 foot, 2 inch 17-year old who was currently on school suspension, with some evidence of possible past drug possession and assorted disciplinary problems.

The anguished cry for help from a gunned-down victim may turn out to be the assailant’s own call, as he was pounded to the pavement. No one can quite figure out whether Mr. Zimmerman actually chased Mr. Martin; or if so, how he caught someone younger and in apparent better shape; or whether both or neither ever ran at all; or who said what or hit the other first. The supposedly racist police may well have collated eye-witness accounts, reviewed the injuries of Mr. Zimmerman, reexamined Florida law, and had cause not to charge the shooter.

The point in all of these changing narratives is that not only do we not have all the facts, but we are certain that the “facts” we currently have will be different within 24 hours, which is why it was wise to turn the matter over to state authorities for complete review of the original decisions.

The media cannot explain why in this particular case some outlets have adopted the new rubric “white Hispanic” — what is the reasoning behind that, and why all of a sudden now? Nor can it explain why it continues to run photos that give readers the impression that Mr. Martin was a pre-teen middle schooler, when a recent photo is accessible.

The president cannot explain by which criteria he chooses to weigh in on controversial local issues, since to do so by definition makes them “teachable moments” and thus prompts the question: why this case (e.g., or a Gates or Fluke incident), and not others? Fairly or not, by now the president, through his past selective editorializing, has lost a great deal of credibility as a national healer.

While it is natural that African-American activists need answers as to why the armed assailant Mr. Zimmerman was not charged in the shooting, they also cannot explain why their attention is not in commensurate fashion focused on the far greater number of young black males gunned down, many just last week in Chicago, by other black males. Nor can they explain to the non-African-American community why the far greater instances of black-on-white violent crime supports any such notion of a supposed war on young black males.

The net result of the demagoguery will be more racial polarization, as African-Americans believe that young black males are unfairly stereotyped by society and treated less fairly by police, while non-African-Americans will only be further convinced that the African-American leadership is not concerned with the vastly inordinate rates of black violent crime, given the small percentage of the African-American community within the general population, much less the much higher rates of black-on-white crime – and as both sides argue either for more money to be invested in social programs, or that too much has already been spent in counter-productive fashion.

So far all that is clear is that there is a growing anger among African-Americans about a failure to immediately arrest the shooter that in turn is provoking an even greater backlash against the antics of Al Sharpton, the creepy bounty offered by the New Black Panther Party, and others who inflame for their own careerist advantage, and no one — not the president, not the media, not the civil rights leadership, not the politicians — seems willing or able to call for a time-out until all the facts are reviewed and released. We have collectively regressed to the days of Rodney King and the L.A. riots and the O. J. Simpson trial — or to something far worse. Hope and change came and went.

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Unfortunately, as long as people like you are around - the very definition of someone who tries to score points through race-baiting (see the title of this thread) - race relations will always be a problem.
 
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Unfortunately, as long as people like you are around - the very definition of someone who tries to score points through race-baiting (see the title of this thread) - race relations will always be a problem.
so you didn't actually read the article...

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so you didn't actually read the article...
What do you expect, thats happens when one of the last thread you started was from an article on a random crazy site, written by none other than Tyler Durden.

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Why don't young missing (abducted and killed) blonde white girls get as much attention as black males that have been killed? It's just not fair.

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the author nailed it

....and what I've been saying since the beginning -- cut through the media bias and get all the facts out on the table

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so you didn't actually read the article...
That's correct. I don't read any articles you post.
 
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That's correct. I don't read any articles you post.
Then don't post in such threads. get lost.
 
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Then don't post in such threads. get lost.
I'll happily agree to stay out of basso threads if he stops polluting all the other reasonable threads in the forum with his stupidity. It's up to him.
 
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I'll happily agree to stay out of basso threads if he stops polluting all the other reasonable threads in the forum with his stupidity. It's up to him.
You have over 21,000 posts and haven't contributed a dime to Clutch?

If I were you I might re-think your attitude.

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You have over 21,000 posts and haven't contributed a dime to Clutch?

If I were you I might re-think your attitude.
Hey guys, tex is trying to redistribute wealth, got a socialist commie over here.

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You have over 21,000 posts and haven't contributed a dime to Clutch?

If I were you I might re-think your attitude.
If Clutch doesn't want me here, he can very easily remove me. Until then, I'll continue criticizing idiots and racists when I encounter them, and you can continue to be an ignorant moderator-wannabe.
 
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it reiterates basso, texxx, etc.'s pov with a little less frothing at the mouth but with equal disregard for the reasons this is a big story.
 
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If Clutch doesn't want me here, he can very easily remove me. Until then, I'll continue criticizing idiots and racists when I encounter them, and you can continue to be an ignorant moderator-wannabe.
I'm not a moderator-wannabe at all.

I'm just calling you out for what I perceive to be a bit....how do you say....disrespectful to the site for being a leech.

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I'm just calling you out for what I perceive to be a bit....how do you say....disrespectful to the site for being a leech.
Fascinating that you have spent maybe 100 posts criticizing people for judging a situation without knowing all the facts, and then you do the exact same thing in another situation. I wonder why that might be and what it says about you.
 
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Fascinating that you have spent maybe 100 posts criticizing people for judging a situation without knowing all the facts, and then you do the exact same thing in another situation. I wonder why that might be and what it says about you.
am I missing facts?

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it reiterates basso, texxx, etc.'s pov with a little less frothing at the mouth but with equal disregard for the reasons this is a big story.
Well, no. It laments what the last 3 years of race hucksterism have done to the cause of better race relations in this country. It's a pov i agree with, but not one i've made before, at least not in this way. Hence, the thread.

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am I missing facts?
Of course you are, given that you have none.
 
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I'll happily agree to stay out of basso threads if he stops polluting all the other reasonable threads in the forum with his stupidity. It's up to him.
And the war's begun.

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Well, no. It laments what the last 3 years of race hucksterism have done to the cause of better race relations in this country.
Give yourself more credit - you've been doing this far longer than 3 years.
 

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