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what was the spread for this game? maybe they didn't want to anger vegas
 
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in a sport where a few points are the differential, missed calls/made calls make play a huge rule in the outcome. My problems arent with the calls that are missed on us but more with the calls that the other team gets. They do the same thing, like the travels of tp, swiping of the arm.

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I think the officials did a decent job. I think the Rockets however played out of control too much, and it cost them.

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working last night so didnt see but those replays you showed, without replays are hard calls to make, period.

Lee for instant is a hard call but it look like the guy was set.

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working last night so didnt see but those replays you showed, without replays are hard calls to make, period.

Lee for instant is a hard call but it look like the guy was set.
I am prety certain that you don't have to be set to draw a charge, if the referee determines that the offensive player gained an advantage due to bulling in etc, he can call a charge.

Courtney Lee has a long storied history of idiotic moves late in close games, he nutted up in San Antonio last year missing 2 FTs late.....

The game just gets too big for him and he crumbles.

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I've always felt that the blocking/charging call is one of the most consistently blown calls in the history of professional sports. A defender should never be able to plant himself in front of a ball handler and draw a charge after the ball handler has already picked up his dribble and started his move to the basket, yet, the officials consistently will give the call to the defender.
 
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I have a hard time with the Charge call on Lee. Actually, I dont think you should be able to collect a charge on a fast break anyways unless you were already on that side of the court ahead of time.

Its dangerous for the player going full sprint on a fast break to have someone run in front of them and take out their legs. Do not agree with the call there for sheer principle.
 
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I have a hard time with the Charge call on Lee. Actually, I dont think you should be able to collect a charge on a fast break anyways unless you were already on that side of the court ahead of time.

Its dangerous for the player going full sprint on a fast break to have someone run in front of them and take out their legs. Do not agree with the call there for sheer principle.
What about Lee's decision to take on 4 guys?

LOL.

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The game is over, and complaining on this Board about poor officiating won't accomplish anything. There was a huge disparity in FTs, but refs usually reward teams that take the ball into the paint and penalize teams that rely on jumpshooting. And the points in the paint discrepancy shows the Rockets again settled on the jumpshot.

That said, at least two of the calls that the Rockets have their biggest complaints (the earlier tripping foul that led to the charge call, and the Lee charge call) were Rocket players trying to drive and were penalized (wrongly, IMO) for driving the basket. And in context (Spurs players like Parker and Duncan benefited by questionable calls going to the basket), it is hard to not come away from the game criticizing the officials. This ignores that the hand to Goran's face was ignored while the hand to the Bonner's face drew a call.

Interesting to note... with his team safely up, and from all appearances his team benefiting from the officiating, it was the Spurs coach that was most visible in his complaints about the officiating. I suspect the Rockets organization will send a tape with complaints to the League offices with no effect, but I do think that it might help the team to be a little more direct and real-time in their dissatisfaction with how the games are officiating, whether having McHale drawing an angry T and expulsion, or a player making a hard foul on a flop, or Morey complaining to the media. Obviously being the "good citizen" hasn't helped (and it did seem that after Van Gundy was fined for his complaints the calls on Yao improved).
 
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I muted the TV at work after Worrell's comments on the charge against Lee. I'm in the minority that feels Bill is just as bad as Clyde (at least he makes me laugh) This is nothing new for Bill either, every close game where the call is against us is some complete travesty to this man.
local commentator bias.
 
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I am prety certain that you don't have to be set to draw a charge, if the referee determines that the offensive player gained an advantage due to bulling in etc, he can call a charge.
Unless there is a forearm or lowering of the shoulder by the offensive player, as long as I've played basketball the rule has always been the defender has to be set.

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What about Lee's decision to take on 4 guys?

LOL.

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Unless there is a forearm or lowering of the shoulder by the offensive player, as long as I've played basketball the rule has always been the defender has to be set.
In part because the defensive player has to allow the offensive player the ability to avoid the foul.
 
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Who ever thinks the league is out to get the Rockets should just kill themselves.
Sometimes you show your DeVry education man. Wow.
 
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All I know is the older I get the easier it is to walk away from this mess they call basketball. Normally I'm okay with the calls, but the 4 straight on Duncan soured me to no end. Stern lost me after that series.
 
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THanks! THat must have been hard to rewatch. I'm surprised I didn't break my remote watching the it the first time ...
 
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I thought the officiating wasn't out of the ordinary; they aren't the reason we lost. There were questionable calls favoring both sides.

The Rockets played a pretty good game. There were some defensive mistakes made in the 4th quarter, and the Rockets need to be better at moving the ball to get good looks when the other team plays pressure D. Still, a good effort overall. Ultimately, the Spurs won mostly because they have Parker&Duncan and we don't.
C'mon Durvasa. you're better than this. Don't give that kind of reasoning.
 
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C'mon Durvasa. you're better than this. Don't give that kind of reasoning.
They had the two best and most experienced players on the floor, both of whom are accustomed to taking over much bigger games than this one. How is that not a huge advantage?
 
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This game notwithstanding, I really think there might be a mandate from the commish's office to withhold foul calls on Kyle Lowry and Kevin Martin. I believe that they have a target on their backs. Maybe it was due to a reputation for flopping in previous years, but correcting one wrong with another wrong is not the right way to do it.

Did you see that call where Kyle Lowry was driving, got hacked, and then got called for a charge against Splitter who was inside the semicircle? It's pretty clear that they just look the other way anytime Lowry decides to attack the paint.

Basketball reasons.

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Unless there is a forearm or lowering of the shoulder by the offensive player, as long as I've played basketball the rule has always been the defender has to be set.
Here's what the official rule book says on charge/block calls:



It comes down to how we interpret "establish defensive position". Does the defender have to be stationary? I think there is mixed opinion on this, but my understanding is that the defender does not have to be literally stationary. He is allowed to slide so long as he is not moving towards the offensive player. For example, if the angle at which the defender is sliding is perpendicular to the direction that the offensive player is taking, it can not be said that the defender is gaining an advantage. He's maintaining his defensive position relative to the offensive player. Thus, if the offensive player slams into him, that is technically a charge.
 

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